| Windows 7: Installing updates, why shutdown? |
24 Apr 2012
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#1 | | Windows 7 ulitmate x64 kind of a nomad |
Installing updates, why shutdown? So maybe this is a stupid question or not but I tried google for answers and could not find one, maybe its just my noobness shinning here but why does windows update need to shutdown the machine to apply updates? Why cant it apply updates and reboot?
Ok so Im not alone on this found this before hitting submit: https://connect.microsoft.com/Window...-restartNative | My System Specs |
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25 Apr 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit Peterborough, England |
Updates are downloaded, installed and configured.
Some updates cannot be configured while the computer is switched on, which is why it shuts down then restarts.
If you check the screen during this period you will see a message when updates are being configured, which can be both before and after the shutdown and restart.
You usually find that it's the security updates that need to undergo this routine.
You will also notice that you are requested to shutdown then restart your computer when installing or uninstalling certain software. This is so that your computer can be reconfigured also. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Pavilion Elite 495UK OS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-Bit CPU Intel Core i7 870 @ 2.93GHz Motherboard MSI 2A9C (CPU1) Memory 8Gb Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 664MHz Graphics Card nVidia GeForce GTX 460 1024MB dedicated RAM Sound Card Realtek HD Audio Monitor(s) Displays HP2310i Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech K750 solar-powered keyboard Mouse Logitech Wireless M180 mouse PSU 460W Case HP Elite Cooling Air cooled Hard Drives 1x1954GB Hitachi HDS22020ALA 330 (RAID), 1x1954GB Hitachi External for backup and storage Internet Speed 2Mb Other Info Pure Avanti Flow Internet Radio with iPod Dock, 64Gb iPod, HP USB Speakers, Sony MDR-V500 Headphones, Sony Vaio F-Series Laptop |
25 Apr 2012
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#3 | | Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) Wales - probably in the pub |
....also....
Windows cannot make changes to files that are currently in use by the system, or are locked by running applications. Sometimes Windows can work around this by scheduling fileswaps for the next time the file becomes free by restarting services and suchlike, but some changes to critical files need to be done when the Windows GUI is not running, or corruption may creep in. Windows therefore requires a reboot to clear these scheduled replacements. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus K52F OS Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) CPU i3 370M Motherboard Asus Memory 8GB - finally :) Graphics Card it's an i3, dude! Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" built-in Screen Resolution 1366x768 PSU n/a Hard Drives 750GB Seagate internal
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25 Apr 2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 ulitmate x64 kind of a nomad |
all that is well and true, however alot of configuration can be made at restart. Also when have you ever installed any windows update, even those that windows update installs, manually and have it ask you to shutdown? I work with ConfigMgr so we install ALOT of software and software updates; shutting down isnt only unnecessary its inconvenient, which is what a lot of people were talking about in the link I posted above, for those that dont want to go to another site Ive added a screencap below: | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 ulitmate x64 CPU AMD Phenom 2 BE X2 processor 3.2ghz dual-core AM3 7mb cache Motherboard ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD UEFI BIOS Memory CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 160 Graphics Card EVGA 512-P3-N875-AR GeForce 9800 GTX 738MHz SuperClock 512MB Sound Card Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 70SB073A00000 Monitor(s) Displays Acer P243WAid Black-Silver 24" 2ms Screen Resolution 1920x1200 Keyboard Dell USB Mouse Logitech Mx518 PSU OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI 700W ATX12V SLI Case COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Hard Drives Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
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25 Apr 2012
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#5 | | Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) Wales - probably in the pub |
Updates only request reboots when System Files that were in use at the time of the install are affected - and for no other reason.
The number of updates requiring reboots has dropped significantly since the days of Win2K (which required reboots for most updates), and will depend on what else the system is doing at the time of the install - If the system has a number of open apps it's more likely to require a reboot than if it's just been started. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus K52F OS Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) CPU i3 370M Motherboard Asus Memory 8GB - finally :) Graphics Card it's an i3, dude! Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" built-in Screen Resolution 1366x768 PSU n/a Hard Drives 750GB Seagate internal
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25 Apr 2012
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#6 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Hertfordshire |
I'm not sure whether you are saying you have to power off the machine and then power it back on. If you are then you don't have to. You just have to perform a restart. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 1425 Memory 8 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Builtin Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz Mouse Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 Hard Drives 250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
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26 Apr 2012
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#7 | | Windows 7 ulitmate x64 kind of a nomad |

Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 I'm not sure whether you are saying you have to power off the machine and then power it back on. If you are then you don't have to. You just have to perform a restart. This is exactly what Im saying when I just do a restart, no updates get applied. After the reboot the option for "shutdown and install updates" still pops up when I do choose to "shutdown and install updates" the computer installs the updates and shuts down I have to physically power it back on.
Last edited by kewljoe; 26 Apr 2012 at 09:39 AM..
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26 Apr 2012
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#8 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Hertfordshire |
That's interesting. It must behave differently when you have Automatic Updates specified rather than the method I use is to have windows inform me of any outstanding updates and then apply them manually. In that case pressing the restart button that appears on the updates dialogue when when it completes does the job. It restarts and applies the updates.
I found this on the web. Not sure what happens to the updates if you do suppress it. http://tipsfor.us/2009/06/22/disable...on-in-windows/
Last edited by kado897; 26 Apr 2012 at 07:59 AM..
Reason: I found this
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27 Apr 2012
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#9 | | Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) Wales - probably in the pub |
It depends on exactly how you have updates set.
If you have them set to install automatically, they will download ASAP - but wait until (by default) the machine is running at 3.00 a.m. before installing, and then auto-reboot if necessary.
If the machine is shut down in the meantime, then it will install the updates during the shutdown/startup. It will ignore a restart.
If you have 'download but do not install' then it will (I think) wait for you to initiate the install - and will ignore both restart and shutdown. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus K52F OS Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM) CPU i3 370M Motherboard Asus Memory 8GB - finally :) Graphics Card it's an i3, dude! Sound Card onboard Monitor(s) Displays 15.6" built-in Screen Resolution 1366x768 PSU n/a Hard Drives 750GB Seagate internal
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27 Apr 2012
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#10 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Hertfordshire |
Thanks Noel. That fits with what we have seen. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz Motherboard Hewlett-Packard 1425 Memory 8 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Builtin Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz Mouse Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 Hard Drives 250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
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