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Windows 7: Checking for updates of my windows 7 system no longer responds

27 Jun 2012   #61
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Print out each tutorial. Ask all the questions you need ahead.

Have access to another device to contact us if you have a problem - smart phone, friend or neighbor's computer, internet kiosk, etc.

If you have a tech-savvy friend ask them to come over to help you or at least bring their smart phone or laptop.
Thank you so much, Gerg, for your kind suggestions.

I would like to say something new, and hope to answer me:

First: I am quite surprising that when I have done a system restore while am booting I on the safe mode, it has been successfully completed.


Second :to what limit can the dates be listed between the earliest and newest date? In other words, how many of the dates of the restore points can be listed in this list?

This window with the list of dates available for doing system restore before I initiated the restore point(which is succeeded) while I am on the safe mode.
If you have a look at this window, you will not find out 'Before uninstalling Spy pot-Search& Destroy is available



However, I went again to open system restore I found this window in which there isn't any 'Before uninstalling Spy pot-Search& Destroy is available, although I have checked this point immediately after the first restore point has completed to see how many points are available



Third: How can I benefit from this restore point which is created if I were so ?

Finally: do you think that this restore point will help me as long as it has created while my system has some other problems?

I hope you understand me,


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27 Jun 2012   #62
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

System Restore can take you back to the state you were in when the restore point was created. If there were issues at that time you will still have those issues.

Using Safe Mode is helpful when it is unable to make the changes required when running in normal mode. It isn't needed as much as it was with prior versions of Windows.

The number of restore points saved is dependent on partition space and how much is allocated to store them. You can check the current settings by going to: Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System and clicking on System Protection on the left side of the window.
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27 Jun 2012   #63
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

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The number of restore points saved is dependent on partition space and how much is allocated to store them. You can check the current settings by going to: Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System and clicking on System Protection on the left side of the window.
Thank you so much,

I have never ever created a system restore before other than this one, but as you saw in my screenshot above that there are some restore points available.
It is supposed that that list contains one system restore.
"Does any program I install or uninstall show in that list? - or is there a time or number limit, for instance a week or such time?"
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27 Jun 2012   #64
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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The number of restore points saved is dependent on partition space and how much is allocated to store them. You can check the current settings by going to: Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System and clicking on System Protection on the left side of the window.
Thank you so much,

I have never ever created a system restore before other than this one, but as you saw in my screenshot above that there are some restore points available.
It is supposed that that list contains one system restore.
"Does any program I install or uninstall show in that list? - or is there a time or number limit, for instance a week or such time?"
When the allocated space gets filled by restore points, the system will delete the oldest one to make space for a new one.

Not every program install/uninstall properly triggers creation of a new point; most do however.

If no restore points have been created in the last 7 or 8 days, w7 will create an automatic one.
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27 Jun 2012   #65
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

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The number of restore points saved is dependent on partition space and how much is allocated to store them. You can check the current settings by going to: Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System and clicking on System Protection on the left side of the window.
Thank you so much,

I have never ever created a system restore before other than this one, but as you saw in my screenshot above that there are some restore points available.
It is supposed that that list contains one system restore.
"Does any program I install or uninstall show in that list? - or is there a time or number limit, for instance a week or such time?"


If no restore points have been created in the last 7 or 8 days, w7 will create an automatic one.
Thank you so much,

This is what I am asking about, I created only a system restore which created yesterday afternoon 6/27/2012 12: 58: 54 PM, GMT.
So, if I don't create any system restores until after two weeks, then windows will create automatically.
What date will window initiate to create a system restore from?

What will happen for the system restore I created 6/27/2012 12: 58: 54 PM, GMT.

If you said for me that it will be available, I would be asking that my created system restore(6/27/2012 12: 58: 54 PM, GMT.) only is available in the first window below

So, first, I think all created system restores should available in a list, but I didn't see any other than my first system restore created(6/27/2012 12: 58: 54 PM, GMT)






Second, As long as this list, which shows me when I click choose a different point, contains the restores points from which I will initiate a new system restore and not contains the restores points I created. And my evidence, that I don't see my created system restore(6/27/2012 12: 58: 54 PM, GMT) listed here, So someone might ask where my created system restores should be listed(available) in case he wants to choose from which system restore I restore my system.



I hope you understand me,
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27 Jun 2012   #66
F5ing

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I don't think I'm fully understanding you.

Restore points that you create manually should appear in that list. All available points should appear.

Are the times all in GMT?

I see a restore point on that date made at 12:58:34 (in both pics), but are you telling me you made a restore point manually at 12:58:54 (not shown in either pic)? In other words, 20 seconds later you made a new restore point? If so, it should appear in the list if it completed successfully.
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27 Jun 2012   #67
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

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Are the times all in GMT?

I see a restore point on that date made at 12:58:34 (in both pics), but are you telling me you made a restore point manually at 12:58:54 (not shown in either pic)? In other words, 20 seconds later you made a new restore point? If so, it should appear in the list if it completed successfully.
I am sorry I have incidentally written :12:58:54 instead of12:58:34 .

Yes, I only have created one system restore which was 12:58:34, and yes it is shown in the second row from the top side in that list. However, I didn't create any other points. If you have look at that picture, you will see many other points which one of them is immediately above the system restore I created.

By the way, there is an option which calls 'repair system'. I have accessed to this option when clicked on F8 while windows booting. Can this option repair the problem of my system?
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27 Jun 2012   #68
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

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Print out each tutorial. Ask all the questions you need ahead.
Could you, gregrocker please confirm these inquiries for me?

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Unplug all other HD's and peripherals, Boot the Windows 7 installer, choose Custom Install,
Is this from the latest official Win7 installer ISO with SP1 for my licensed version.' which I have downloaded and burned in DVD?

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6. Write down the Product Key from COA sticker located on back or side of PC tower, bottom or under battery of notebook. Make sure you get the characters correct as this is a main cause of activation failure. You can input or Skip the key during install then afterwards activate at Control Panel>System, which may require a quick robocall. The COA sticker looks like this:
As long as that screenshot which contains 'keys' is animated, so I can print out all of its sides, I only print one side. So if the key in that side didn't active my windows, can I skip the activation until I connect to the internet again to reach to this page and look for another key in the other sides.

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7-Gather your program installers. For those lacking disks, you may find them on the program's Support Downloads webpage. Favorite pre-installed apps may be found on the Downloads webpage for your model computer or manufacturer-provided Apps Disk. Others may be found by googling. Some pre-installed apps may not be available for clean reinstall - HP owners see additional note below.
Why I gather my program? Will the clean install delete my programs?

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If you have a Recovery or OEM tools partition, these may not run after clean reinstall so be sure to make your Recovery Disks.
First: I always hear about 'OEM ', could you please let me whether 'HP Recovery'(Recovery of the factory) which is saved on D is OEM

Second:This is quite enormous problem.Why? I have two drives on my system, C for my system installed and the D for the Recovery of the factory. I don't want to lose "Recovery which is in D.
Third:What is the relation of Clean install and HP Recovery as long as I have two drives, C which Windows is installed on and D which HP Recovery is saved on.

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You can wait until afterwards to see if Recovery or (Diagnostics) Tools partitions will run from boot to decide if you want to delete those partitions and recover the space into C or elsewhere (using Step 3 here).
I don't want to merge the space of D into C at all. I want still to be able to reach to the HP recovery in the future by press F11.

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The installer is mostly driver-complete, with newer arriving quickly via optional Windows Updates. Just in case, have your Wireless or Ethernet LAN driver on flash stick or CD so you can install it to get online quickly - these can be found on the Support Downloads webpage for your model computer . Then enable hardware driver auto-updating and check for optional Updates.
Do I have to define my devices after the clean repair completed? If this yes, then can I do this even connect again?

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11. Install updates and then programs slowly over time to gauge performance changes after each. You can roll back most any Program installs or Update using System Restore.
Can I be able to use 'System Restore' after clean install be completed? I think I will find any last system restores as long as clean install will delete everything

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Don't let any programs write themselves into msconfig>Startup as they slow startup, become freeloaders on your RAM/CPU and can spy on you.
As far as I know that I cannot control in this while I installing a program.

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When finished, clean and order the HD perfectly using state-of-the-art free CCleaner "Run Cleaner" button and Registry tab, then Puran free boot-time defragger + Full Disk Check after checking Intelligent Optimizer on Additional Operations tab.
Is the "Puran Defrag" necessary? if yes, I think it will be in the last steps?

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Finally, save a Windows 7 Backup image externally so you never have to reinstall again - just reimage the HD or it's replacement using DVD/Repair CD with the stored image.
Why do I do this backup image as long as I have the backup of factory?

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Henceforth if required to contact your OEM Tech Support do not tell them you clean reinstalled but troubleshoot as if you have the factory install. OEM's may refuse to support Clean Reinstall but cannot void Hardware warranty.
Why will clean install cause in any problems in order for I didn't tell the Support of HP, by the way, my Laptop's Hardware warranty period has been completed?

I hope you understand me.
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27 Jun 2012   #69
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by a cooperator View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Print out each tutorial. Ask all the questions you need ahead.
Could you, gregrocker please confirm these inquiries for me?

Quote:
Unplug all other HD's and peripherals, Boot the Windows 7 installer, choose Custom Install,
Is this from the latest official Win7 installer ISO with SP1 for my licensed version.' which I have downloaded and burned in DVD? Yes

As long as that screenshot which contains 'keys' is animated, so I can print out all of its sides, I only print one side. So if the key in that side didn't active my windows, can I skip the activation until I connect to the internet again to reach to this page and look for another key in the other sides.
Look now for the number which says Product Key on your COA sticker to make sure it is readable. Write it down.

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Why I gather my program? Will the clean install delete my programs?
Yes, you need to reinstall your programs. Make sure you have the disks or installers and Product Keys, if any. Run the Belarc Advisor so you have a list of installed hardware and software with any keys.

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First: I always hear about 'OEM ', could you please let me whether 'HP Recovery'(Recovery of the factory) which is saved on D is OEM
Yes.

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Second:This is quite enormous problem.Why? I have two drives on my system, C for my system installed and the D for the Recovery of the factory. I don't want to lose "Recovery which is in D.
Third:What is the relation of Clean install and HP Recovery as long as I have two drives, C which Windows is installed on and D which HP Recovery is saved on.
As it says in the Special Note for HP Users at the end of the tutorial, HP Recovery will often run after a Clean Reinstall to C. So you can save it's partition during install and not delete it. But as it also says in the tutorial be sure to make your Recovery disks first. There is no guarantee. Recovery might not run now.

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I don't want to merge the space of D into C at all. I want still to be able to reach to the HP recovery in the future by press F11.
It may work and it may not which is why you should make the disks. You will not be using the Factory Image however if you clean reinstall, so as it also says in the tutorial you can save a backup image of your Clean Reinstall to serve as your Recovery.

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Do I have to define my devices after the clean repair completed? If this yes, then can I do this even connect again?
What do you mean by define your Devices. It is quite specific in the tutorial on how to handle drivers. Read that section again to make sure you know what to do and not do.

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Can I be able to use 'System Restore' after clean install be completed? I think I will find any last system restores as long as clean install will delete everything
Yes, you will have Restore points as soon as you begin installing Updates.

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As far as I know that I cannot control in this while I installing a program. Control what?

Is the "Puran Defrag" necessary? if yes, I think it will be in the last steps?
That's why it is listed in the last steps. It is beneficial to organize the HD and offers a superior boot mode defrag as well as important full Disk Check.

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Finally, save a Windows 7 Backup image externally so you never have to reinstall again - just reimage the HD or it's replacement using DVD/Repair CD with the stored image.
Why do I do this backup image as long as I have the backup of factory?
Because Factory Recovery is the bloated HP preinstall with all of the sponsors' programs and HP utilities which are not needed . Your image will be of your customized Clean Install.

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Henceforth if required to contact your OEM Tech Support do not tell them you clean reinstalled but troubleshoot as if you have the factory install. OEM's may refuse to support Clean Reinstall but cannot void Hardware warranty.
Why will clean install cause in any problems in order for I didn't tell the Support of HP, by the way, my Laptop's Hardware warranty period has been completed?
Then you have no need to contact HP since they would charge you anyway after the 1 year warranty and tech support expired.
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I hope you understand me.

I do not advise you to Clean Reinstall unless you are strongly motivated by its benefit of getting rid of the HP preinstalled crapware and useless HP utlities which have better versions built into Win7.

If you only need to try to resolve your performance problems then I suggest you first try a Repair Install which keeps your programs, files and settings in place but reinstalls the OS to overcome unsolvable problems.

You can get many benefits of a Clean Reinstall by
Cleaning Up Factory Bloatware once you have repaired the OS problems with a Repair Install.
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28 Jun 2012   #70
a cooperator

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1-64bit.
 
 

Thank you Gerg,
I would respectfully like you to reply my inquiries at your earliest convenience.

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Look now for the number which says Product Key on your COA sticker to make sure it is readable. Write it down.
Yes, but there are many keys in that animated picture, how many of them I should write down, and how can I know whether or not it will active my windows?

Yes, you need to reinstall your programs. Make sure you have the disks or installers and Product Keys, if any. Run the Belarc Advisor so you have a list of installed hardware and software with any keys.
so, what can I benefit from the Clean Reinstall as long as the programs and settings will be deleted?
If clean install doesn't differ from restore from "Recovery of Factory", then I would restore my system from
"Recovery of Factory".

As it says in the Special Note for HP Users at the end of the tutorial, HP Recovery will often run after a Clean Reinstall to C. So you can save it's partition during install and not delete it. But as it also says in the tutorial be sure to make your Recovery disks first. There is no guarantee. Recovery might not run now.
First: As long as I will repair the windows 7 which installed in C, then why might "Clean Reinstall" be deleting the Recovery of Factory which is on D ?

Second: I have really created a copy from a backup in DVDs with Recovery Manager tool which is empty now, I don't know why(Screenshot 1) in the very first time of my computer's starting. Do you believe this considers a copy of the Recovery Factory which is on D(screenshot 2)

Third: Do you believe that I should copy the "recovery of Factory" which is on D and then paste it in an external HD as long as I cannot do another backup because the Recovery Manager with which I have done the first one became empty in every start
.



Fourth: If Clean Reinstall might be deleting "recovery of Factory", I would rather restore from the "recovery of Factory'".

Fifth: If did a
Clean Reinstall, I can no longer even restore from 'Recovery of Factory" which is on DVDs anymore, can I?


Sixth: This is the partition of Microsoft Office Starter which I didn't create. However, it came with my HD from the Factory. I cannot even open it and when I try that I notice
'Unable to access disk.' Will it be deleted with a Clean Reinstall? (screenshot below), what is the benefit of such partition






What do you mean by define your Devices. It is quite specific in the tutorial on how to handle drivers. Read that section again to make sure you know what to do and not do.
I mean that some devices such LAN, Wireless, Sound, device drivers and any other devices, as far as I know that the windows automatically defines any devices connected with computer, Doesn't it?

Yes, you will have Restore points as soon as you begin installing Updates.
Can the last system Restores created before I did a Clean Reinstall be still available after Clean Reinstall be completed? I think I won't find any system Restores as long as Clean Reinstall will delete everything.


you said in the explanation that:
Don't let any programs write themselves into msconfig>Startup as they slow startup, become freeloaders on your RAM/CPU and can spy on you.


As far as I know that I cannot control in making a program don't write itself while I installing it.

Because Factory Recovery is the bloated HP preinstall with all of the sponsors' programs and HP utilities which are not needed . Your image will be of your customized Clean Install.
1- All Factory Recoveries have unneeded programs and HP utilities regardless of whether in the D or the one created in DVDS(as I did) or HD.

2- How do you judge that "Factory Recovery" has unneeded programs and HP utilities as long as I didn't notice such these utilities in my system being installed since I prepared the windows in the fist time until now. Only I want to see such
programs and HP utilities to understand because I am novice in these things.
Your image will be of your customized Clean Install.
1-you mean that after I have successfully done a "Clean Install", I should proceed to create an image backup of my customized Clean Install? If yes, can I do this with 'backup and restore tool' or with a third party programs, such as Acronis.

2-If I have a problem in the future this window 7 Home Premium SP1 or even another one, wiil I have to a Clean Reinstall" again or I will restore from the
image backup of my customized Clean Install.

I do not advise you to Clean Reinstall unless you are strongly motivated by its benefit of getting rid of the HP preinstalled crapware and useless HP utlities which have better versions built into Windows 7.
But what I will lose if I did Clean Reinstall as long as I have the Factory Recovery on DVDs. So if I found myself unsatisfied with Clean Reinstall, I will restore my system from the Factory Recovery on DVDs and everything then will be alright.

Then you have no need to contact HP since they would charge you anyway after the 1 year warranty and tech support expired.
Yes, you're quite right; however, I am noticing that I wasn't having any problems with the updates of Windows, except after the period of the Warranty has been expired.
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