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Windows 7: How do I prove that my eBay Win 7 DVD is genuine?

28 Aug 2014   #1
OldGrantonian

Win 7 64-bit Home Premium
 
 
How do I prove that my eBay Win 7 DVD is genuine?

My question is the opposite way round from the guys who complain that their Windows is "not genuine".

Windows doesn't complain about my Win 7 - but I want to verify (for the future) that it is genuine.

History: I wanted to downgrade from Win 8 (not 8.1). I bought Win 7 Home Premium for 45 on eBay. Seller had 99.9% positive feedback for 26,000 items. Seller had sold 402 of this item.

I tried to activate Windows, using Control Panel > System

It says "Windows is activated". I saw no option "Change Product Key" (which I can see on my company Win 7 laptop). The Product ID was listed in "System" as an OEM number. This number is not the same as the number inside the battery compartment. And of course it's not the same as supplied by the eBay vendor on the COA tag.

On the Windows Validation site, I clicked "Validate Now". The message said "Your Windows is genuine".

I then noticed that 169 updates were installing themselves.

So, I never entered any Product Code, but I have genuine Windows 7, with access to updates. Before shooting my mouth off, I checked for updates right now, and got 2 important updates.

Maybe I should have bought the 1 eBay offer

BTW: I've been installing, re-installing, repair-installing, upgrading, and downgrading Windows since version 3.1. I have never at any time been asked to provide a Product Key.

My problem is that I get 14 days to complain to complain if my eBay Win 7 is not valid. I have 4 days left.

Question: Shall I simply leave well alone? (If it ain't broke - don't try to fix it.) What happens if I need to completely reformat the disk? In that case, the old OEM number that's currently in Control Panel will no longer be there.


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28 Aug 2014   #2
MrNeeds

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OldGrantonian View Post
My question is the opposite way round from the guys who complain that their Windows is "not genuine".

Windows doesn't complain about my Win 7 - but I want to verify (for the future) that it is genuine.

History: I wanted to downgrade from Win 8 (not 8.1). I bought Win 7 Home Premium for 45 on eBay. Seller had 99.9% positive feedback for 26,000 items. Seller had sold 402 of this item.

I tried to activate Windows, using Control Panel > System

It says "Windows is activated". I saw no option "Change Product Key" (which I can see on my company Win 7 laptop). The Product ID was listed in "System" as an OEM number. This number is not the same as the number inside the battery compartment. And of course it's not the same as supplied by the eBay vendor on the COA tag.

On the Windows Validation site, I clicked "Validate Now". The message said "Your Windows is genuine".

I then noticed that 169 updates were installing themselves.

So, I never entered any Product Code, but I have genuine Windows 7, with access to updates. Before shooting my mouth off, I checked for updates right now, and got 2 important updates.

Maybe I should have bought the 1 eBay offer

BTW: I've been installing, re-installing, repair-installing, upgrading, and downgrading Windows since version 3.1. I have never at any time been asked to provide a Product Key.

My problem is that I get 14 days to complain to complain if my eBay Win 7 is not valid. I have 4 days left.

Question: Shall I simply leave well alone? (If it ain't broke - don't try to fix it.) What happens if I need to completely reformat the disk? In that case, the old OEM number that's currently in Control Panel will no longer be there.
sounds like it's an OEM version to be honest, bulk bought version of windows that companies buy to save time on installation. it is genuine but not meant for consumers, more for businesses.
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28 Aug 2014   #3
NoelDP

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
 
 

Please follow this tutorial and post an MGADiag report - then we can see what the problem is.

http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/234159-windows-genuine-activation-issue-posting-instructions.html

Ignore errors produced when clicking on the Copy button - they simply mean that the tool could not create the backup files for some reason. The data is still copied to the clipboard for pasting to your response.

Please also state the Version and Edition of Windows quoted on your COA sticker (if you have one) on the case of your machine (or inside the battery compartment), but do NOT quote the Key on the sticker!
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/howtotell/Hardware.aspx
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29 Aug 2014   #4
OldGrantonian

Win 7 64-bit Home Premium
 
 

>> Please also state the Version and Edition of Windows quoted on your COA sticker (if you have one) on the case of your machine

"Windows 8" (nothing else - no Pro, Ultimate, etc. That corresponds with what was shown in Control Panel > System before the downgrade to Win7.)


Here are the results of the "Copy":
-------------------------------------------------------


Code:
Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
-----------------------------------------
Windows Validation Data-->

Validation Code: 0
Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
Windows Product Key: *****-*****-QCPVQ-KHRB8-RMV82
Windows Product Key Hash: +Rj3N34NLM2JqoBO/OzgzTZXgbY=
Windows Product ID: 00359-OEM-8992687-00095
Windows Product ID Type: 2
Windows License Type: OEM SLP
Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010300.1.0.003
ID: {0846B3E7-BD2D-454B-830A-89A991809FF8}(1)
Is Admin: Yes
TestCab: 0x0
LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Product Name: Windows 7 Home Premium
Architecture: 0x00000009
Build lab: 7601.win7sp1_gdr.140303-2144
TTS Error: 
Validation Diagnostic: 
Resolution Status: N/A

Vista WgaER Data-->
ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

Windows XP Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
File Exists: No
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

OGA Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

OGA Data-->
Office Status: 109 N/A
OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3

Browser Data-->
Proxy settings: N/A
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
Default Browser: C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
Active scripting: Allowed
Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

File Scan Data-->

Other data-->
Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{0846B3E7-BD2D-454B-830A-89A991809FF8}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010300.1.0.003</OS><Architecture>x64</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-RMV82</PKey><PID>00359-OEM-8992687-00095</PID><PIDType>2</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-843041927-3713048995-3088225147</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Dell Inc.         </Manufacturer><Model>Inspiron 5720</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Dell Inc.         </Manufacturer><Version>A19</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="7"/><Date>20140418000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>BDBC3707018400FE</HWID><UserLCID>0809</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>GMT Standard Time(GMT+00:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>DELL  </OEMID><OEMTableID>QA09   </OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults>  

Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

Licensing Data-->
Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

Name: Windows(R) 7, HomePremium edition
Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, OEM_SLP channel
Activation ID: d2c04e90-c3dd-4260-b0f3-f845f5d27d64
Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
Extended PID: 00359-00178-926-800095-02-2057-7601.0000-2332014
Installation ID: 021994561453028246371373129974148900368206120512490931
Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
Partial Product Key: RMV82
License Status: Licensed
Remaining Windows rearm count: 3
Trusted time: 29/08/2014 09:43:09

Windows Activation Technologies-->
HrOffline: 0x00000000
HrOnline: 0x00000000
HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
Event Time Stamp: 8:23:2014 19:59
ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
HealthStatus Bitmask Output:


HWID Data-->
HWID Hash Current: MgAAAAEAAQABAAEAAAACAAAABAABAAEA6GFuNtr2CgXC8vaZwB78RRTMHuO4gRAIlmM=

OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
N/A

OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes
Windows marker version: 0x20001
OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: yes
BIOS Information: 
  ACPI Table Name	OEMID Value	OEMTableID Value
  APIC			DELL  		QA09   
  FACP			DELL  		QA09   
  HPET			DELL  		QA09   
  MCFG			DELL  		QA09   
  SLIC			DELL  		QA09   
  SSDT			DELL  		PtidDevc
  ASF!			DELL  		QA09   
  FPDT			DELL  		QA09   
  SSDT			DELL  		PtidDevc
  SSDT			DELL  		PtidDevc
  UEFI			DELL  		QA09   
  UEFI			DELL  		QA09   
  MSDM			DELL  		QA09   
  UEFI			DELL  		QA09   
  DBG2			DELL  		QA09
My System SpecsSystem Spec
29 Aug 2014   #5
NoelDP

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
 
 

This appears to be perfectly genuine -
Important details...
Windows Product Key: *****-*****-QCPVQ-KHRB8-RMV82
This is the Dell OEM_SLP Key for Windows 7 Home Premium
SLIC DELL QA09
This is an apparently valid SLIC table for Dell.

HOWEVER...
There are no downgrade rights from Windows 8 (Core edition) to Windows 7 - and Downgrade rights do not include Home Edition anyhow.

The installed Key is ONLY valid when used with the proper manufacturer's Recovery Media - on a machine which originally shipped with Windows 7 Home Premium installed.
The installation is therefore classed as counterfeit - even if it appears as activated and validated.

You should demand a refund from your vendor (with threats of legal action!), as they are selling for profit materials for which they have no rights whatever, and are therefore committing fraud at least.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
29 Aug 2014   #6
OldGrantonian

Win 7 64-bit Home Premium
 
 

Thanks for your response. I shall take action immediately.

BTW: Is there ANY Windows 7 that I'm allowed to buy and legally install it on my laptop which was pre-installed with Win 8?

If so, what should I have bought?
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29 Aug 2014   #7
HAVOC

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

I would say just buy a OEM CD from a online retailer like Newegg: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - Operating Systems - Newegg.com

I stay away from operating system software on ebay.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
29 Aug 2014   #8
OldGrantonian

Win 7 64-bit Home Premium
 
 

Thanks to NoelDP and HAVOC for responses.

I've emailed the vendor in order to "reserve my rights" within the 14-day returns period.

However, when I re-read NoelDP's post, I get the impression that I'm in the wrong - not the vendor:

Quote:
There are no downgrade rights from Windows 8 (Core edition) to Windows 7 - and Downgrade rights do not include Home Edition anyhow.

The installed Key is ONLY valid when used with the proper manufacturer's Recovery Media - on a machine which originally shipped with Windows 7 Home Premium installed.
There's no way that the vendor would know what I was planning to do with the product.

(Maybe I should be starting a new post. If so, I can resubmit the post.)
My System SpecsSystem Spec
29 Aug 2014   #9
NoelDP

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
 
 

The vendor knew EXACTLY what you were going to be doing - and the sale of these recovery disks is well outside the terms of the License Agreements.

A large chain in the UK (Comet) was sued by MS for 1000000 for doing the same thing a couple of years back...
Microsoft sues Comet over Windows 'counterfeits' | ZDNet
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