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Windows 7: Strange behavior of Updates during recent installs

20 May 2015   #21
NoelDP

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Win 7 x64 Home Premium (and x86 VirtualBox VM)/Win10
 
 

If you look at the Task Manager while the indicator is at 0%, you'll usually find that either TrustedInstaller or SVCHOST are using high CPU - this is because they are checking the integrity of files (but I'm not certain which files they are checking at this point!)
It may be that recent update downloads are also being checked - or they may have widened the checks to other parts of the system.


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20 May 2015   #22
NoelDP

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I tried that again yesterday, setting to choose Updates only. The first group installed and when I went back to Check for Updates it offered 72 which I selected and watched it stall at 0% Downloaded. Then I notice they are queued on the Shutdown button. Executed a Shutdown and all 72 installed - even though they had appeared not to be downloaded when I selected them!

Noel what do you know about that rollup? Is a rollup of hotfixes likely to smooth the way for rest of Updates, by installing it first?
I really have no idea - hopefully it would do, but it depends on how they do it.
They have two options, really.

1) a single mega-update, and a number of smaller ones
2) chaining the installs of each update into a logical sequence.

When they did a similar thing for Win ME, Win98SE and XP, they chose the second method (that was the famed Security Update disk that they pushed out in 2004 - it worked really well for most, but it had 4 months of heavy beta-testing from experts including many MVPs before they put it out!! - there were still a number of bugs in the final version but they could be got around by tweaking the script)
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22 May 2015   #23
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
A hotfix for the Windows Update Agent

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NoelDP View Post
If you look at the Task Manager while the indicator is at 0%, you'll usually find that either TrustedInstaller or SVCHOST are using high CPU - this is because they are checking the integrity of files (but I'm not certain which files they are checking at this point!)
It may be that recent update downloads are also being checked - or they may have widened the checks to other parts of the system.
Just for information:

A hotfix for the Windows Update Agent is currently in development.

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At its core this is a memory allocation issue, thus 64-bit Windows 7 computers will not see this error because the address space is effectively unlimited. They will, however, exhibit high memory and high CPU usage, possibly affecting performance. Note that x86 clients will also exhibit high memory usage (around 1.2-1.4GB).
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23 May 2015   #24
NoelDP

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Note that the article there is about WSUS - NOT ordinary Windows Updates.
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23 May 2015   #25
Gacrux

Windows 8.1 X64 Update 3
 
 

I'm having a similar problem, I was about to create a new thread about this issue when I found this topic.

Even using a fresh legit SHA-1 match ISO from MSDN, the problem follows like this:

1 - First Update - Windows Update asks to install an updated version of the updater, then closes itself and open again (which is ok).

2 - Stays for a long time looking for available updates, them says it has 189 updates available.

3 - Download and installs the updates, seems to be fine, but it's not - about 72 updates fails to install for unknown reasons then asks to restart computer.

4 - Computer restarts, and when trying to apply pending updates, fails again and System Restore enters to revert all changes.

Tried many times to fresh install and all have this erratic behavior - in 2 computers, many VMs under VMWare and Virtual Box. I have absolutely no RAM, HDD, SDD problems, I'm thinking it's a problem with Windows Update, something is not right and is causing all this updates to fail to install.
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23 May 2015   #26
gregrocker

 

Did you check the Shutdown button for a yellow ! mark, execute Shutdown to install those Updates?

Are Updates set to Automatic? I'd do that now to force them to Install and proceed.

If not, type Troubleshoot in Start Search box, run the Windows Update troubleshooter.
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23 May 2015   #27
Gacrux

Windows 8.1 X64 Update 3
 
 

Everything is set to Windows handles updates the way Microsoft wants, to accept and install in auto mode.

Tired of those errors, I'm currently trying to replicate this issue into a virtual machine to read the logs with more attention.

On my previous attempts to make a clean and updated install, I even ended with massive system file corruption, from dlls to total mess making the system unbootable that SFC wouldn't fix. And again: RAM, HD and everything else is working perfectly, Windows 8.1 install and updates Ok, I tested once, but since I do not have licenses, I have to stick with 7.

I wish MS would release a SP2 to stop this update suffering, even setting a WSUS it's still a PITA due the huge number of updates and things that can go wrong during the whole process (like it's happening now to me).
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23 May 2015   #28
gregrocker

 

It might help in your case to Update 7 installation media first since that's pretty much been eliminated as part of the problem. At least you'll have most Updates in the installer then.
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23 May 2015   #29
NoelDP

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WSUS is only intended for use in Domain server situations - but can also be used in other scenarios.

Here's my standard methodology for update installs on a new installation...


Note - between each of the below batches of updates, reboot at least once, even if the machine auto-rebooted during the updates. After teh update, do a new Check for Updates. Add any remaining updates or failed updates to the next batch.




1) Install all 'Security Update for Windows'
Reboot
Check for Updates
(some will have failed, and some new ones will have appeared)
2) Install the remaining/new 'Security Update for Windows'
Reboot
Check for Updates
3) Install all ordinary 'Update for Windows'
Reboot
Check for Updates
4) install updates for IE8 - but NOT IE 9/10/11
Reboot
Check for Updates
5) install all other updates EXCEPT .NET ones and IE9/10/11
Reboot
Check for Updates
repeat 5 until there's nothing left in the main window except the .NET and IE upgrades

6) Install all Security Updates for .NET - but nothing else
Reboot
Check for Updates
7) Install all other .NET updates
Reboot
Check for Updates
8) Install IE10 if offered - IE11 should wait if it's still an Optional update.
9) Install the IE10 updates, then install IE11 and update that.

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23 May 2015   #30
Gacrux

Windows 8.1 X64 Update 3
 
 

I managed to successfully install and update without errors just after my messages here, everything is working perfectly. I think it was something with Windows Update.

I even made a sysprep and imagex to deploy a fully updated installation, tried the WIM image in a old notebook with completely different hardware and no HAL or driver errors, it's running perfectly
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