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Windows 7: all my 16 hidden updates have disappaered

22 Oct 2015   #1
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 
all my 16 hidden updates have disappaered

This morning (here in Austria the 22 th of October 2015 ) all my 16 hidden updates have disappeared !

They were still there yesterday because I happened to cheque them with my written down list. Among them were 3 x 3035585. They have not turned up on my update list.

Can anybody see if they have the same thing happening to there system ?

Thanks in advance


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22 Oct 2015   #2
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

I have just been back to my hidden updates ( after checking on updates that are offered to install, thinking perhaps the gone hidden updates will be now offered to me ????? )

ALL UPDATES ARE BACK IN HIDDEN UPDATES except one 3035583 is gone.

What is going on here ?
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22 Oct 2015   #3
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Sometimes Windows 7 get confused.
Often just doing a reboot solves this kind of problem.

Odds are 3035583 will be offered again. You just have to watch for it.
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22 Oct 2015   #4
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Thank you Layback Bear for your wise words.

Normally I would not have panicked so much, but with all this Windows 10 updating in secret going on, I could see myself being in the Windows 10 forums next! Against my will

Cheers

PS; so this could just happen again ?
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23 Oct 2015   #5
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

"PS; so this could just happen again ?"

Yes, it could.

Best I can tell this behaviour started back in mid 2007 when microsoft gave the ability for windows updates to silently update and do housecleaning to itself, see: http://Experts Astonished to Learn Windows Update Updates Itself | betanews.com/2007/09/14/; And it will steadily become more intrusive as microsoft has changed their privacy policy more than once in recent years, and the windows10 update policy evolves.

As Layback Bear stated it does help to reboot on occasion especially when finished doing anything intensive or for long periods on your machine, and don't bet against Bear's odds, KB3035583 is in its sixth revision.

So vigilance is the key....

all my 16 hidden updates have disappaered-kb5538.png
Source at bottom of KB article


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23 Oct 2015   #6
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Thank you Anak !

It is happening now every day, one moment there is an EMPTY Hidden updates page.

Then I go and look for new updates being proposed ( my settings are " never look for updates at the moment ) ;

There are sitting :

one important update ;

Windows Defender KB 15597 definition 1.209.28.0

optional updates ;

Microsoft security essentials KB 2902907
" " " KB 3063822

Update for Windows 7 x 64 based Systems KB 2970228 , KB 3048761 and KB 3095649

Then I log off and start again, next go to hidden updates and the're all back

Do you want me to show here a list of my hidden updates ? Perhaps there is one peculiar one doing this ?
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23 Oct 2015   #7
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

This : The discovery, which came as news to many, is that the Windows Update service (known internally as WSUS) updates itself through a separate channel, managed through Internet Information Services. While turning off Automatic Updates makes certain Windows doesn't receive any general update downloads without the user's consent or knowledge, WSUS still checks for updates, including those meant for itself. It can then - and typically will - update itself anyway.:

This was known in 2007 ?

So now a days it is still working in the back ground ?

Well, sorry, I am astonished, but you all probably know this and have lived with it for ages
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26 Oct 2015   #8
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Apologies for not getting back sooner, it has been a busy weekend for me.

Quote:
my settings are " never look for updates at the moment "
For better peace of mind I would strongly suggest changing that setting to; "Check for updates, but let me choose whether or not to download and install them".
The never look option could be the cause of the constant refreshing. Give it a day or two to observe the new setting and if it calms windows updates (WU).
The key words here are "but let me choose whether or not to download and install them" it also saves you a step by having the updates sitting there waiting for your interaction, and you can hide any from there by right clicking on them and selecting hide.

Quote:
There are sitting :

one important update ;

Windows Defender KB 15597 definition 1.209.28.0

optional updates ;

Microsoft security essentials KB 2902907
" " " KB 3063822
If your only anti-malware is microsoft security essentials (MSE) and Defender (DEF) go ahead and D/L'd and install them.


Quote:
Update for Windows 7 x 64 based Systems KB 2970228 , KB 3048761 and KB 3095649

Then I log off and start again, next go to hidden updates and the're all back
Continue to hide these, and see how they react after changing your WU setting.


Quote:
Do you want me to show here a list of my hidden updates ? Perhaps there is one peculiar one doing this ?
You can if you like, the list may offer a clue.

Quote:
This was known in 2007 ? So now a days it is still working in the back ground ?
Yep! And going stronger than ever.


If changing the WU setting doesn't offer relief, we have one more step to try.
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27 Oct 2015   #9
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 
all my 16 hidden updates have disappaered

Hello Anak, thanks for your responds,

Quick or not ( I say "take your time ", as you are all helping for free, it is already great to get help .

I have changed my settings to " Check for updates, but let me choose ". I am still offered the same 5 to date.

I like to send you a copy of my hidden 16 updates, but find no way of making a copy of the page .

As I don't want to close that page ( afraid they will disappear again ) I will now write them down (only the KB nr) and post them next on this thread.

Hope that's enough ?

Be right back
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27 Oct 2015   #10
thelma

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 
all my 16 hidden updates have disappaered

Ok, here the list of my hidden updates that keep disappearing :

KB 3083710 Important
KB 3080149 Recommended
KB 3078664 Rec
KB 3077715 Imp
KB 3068708 Rec
KB 3035583 x 2 Rec
KB 3021917 Rec
KB 2999226 Rec
KB 2952664 Rec
KB 2923545 Rec
KB 2726535 Rec
KB 2660075 Rec
KB 2592687 Optional
KB 2545608 Rec
KB 2506928 Rec

+ on Skype KB 2876229

That's it,

Thanks for looking at it Anak
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