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Windows 7: SSD's and System Restore

12 Sep 2010   #1
thehappyman

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
SSD's and System Restore

So "they" tell us to always turn System Restore off if you are using an SSD. So what happens if you turn System Restore off and some new program you are installing tries to create a restore point ??? Does that still work ??? And why does system restore hurt an SSD that supports the TRIM operation ????


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12 Sep 2010   #2
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

It doesnt hurt the SSD.

Theres similar thoughts about SuperFetch, when in all reality it makes things faster even with a SSD.

The idea behind all of this is that a SSD has a limited amount of writes, (or more specifically erase cycles) and that you should limit writes to be as minimal as possible.

Quite honestly, its all blown way out of proportion.
Neither System restore nor SuperFetch harm the SSD in any way.


As far as System Restore being off, you will be fine in regards to anything attempting to make a system restore.
All that happens is you get a error log that "creating a System Restore Point failed!", and things move on as normal.

I have mine Off, but only because I make daily system images with Acronis, and would MUCH rather it handle all forms of backup and recovery.
If I must roll the system back to an earlier time, its just as fast & easy for Acronis to Re-image the drive from a Image made earlier in the day, or day before.

However, I would not recommend everyone disable it, unless you have a specific, regular plan of disaster recovery.

Bottom Line, System Restore will not hurt anything left On or Off.
Disabling it for sake of saving writes to the SSD is pointless.
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12 Sep 2010   #3
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by thehappyman View Post
So "they" tell us to always turn System Restore off if you are using an SSD. So what happens if you turn System Restore off and some new program you are installing tries to create a restore point ??? Does that still work ??? And why does system restore hurt an SSD that supports the TRIM operation ????

In the words of that great philosopher: Thou shalt sweat it not!

In other words, don't turn system restore off.

I have an SSD. I wouldn't, not even on my deathbed, think of turning System Restore off.
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13 Sep 2010   #4
Les

Win 7 64Bt Ult
 
 
If it helps...

There is alot of literature available with respect to both of these points.

With respect to System Restore, there has been alot of evidence that the was Win7 allocates its restore points severely impairs if not completely shuts down TRIM. I approached Intel with this sometime ago who stated they would look into it and supply response to which their only response was to tell people to shut down System Restore.

I have an article dedicated to it and the way to test for its effects on The SSD Review if you are interested.

With respect to prefetch its really like having an extra unneeded appendage. the purpose of superfetch and prefetch was to speed things up on hard drives, however, they serve no purpose simply because the access speed of a ssd is .1ms and this cannot be improved upon in any way by these two things. Will it reduce your ssd life through excessive writes to the drive? Who knows really as there is no first hand proof but understanding the mechanics would make one believe so.

In fact, the lifespan should even be more of a concern for System Restore as this wreaks havoc on the end life write total.

Hope this helps a bit.

Yup first post...found this on Google and joined to help a bit with the response..
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13 Sep 2010   #5
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Les View Post
There is alot of literature available with respect to both of these points.

With respect to prefetch its really like having an extra unneeded appendage. the purpose of superfetch and prefetch was to speed things up on hard drives, however, they serve no purpose simply because the access speed of a ssd is .1ms and this cannot be improved upon in any way by these two things.
True SSDs are fast. But another side to this debate, Although a SSD is fast, it is still not as fast as RAM.

Also the fact, Superfetch will have preloaded most of the DATA.


So, if you think about it, with SF turned off, the SSD still needs to fetch the DATA and load it to memory.

With Pre-Fetch ON, it Simply launches from memory (Which is faster than a SSD)
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13 Sep 2010   #6
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

Les,

There is much "literature".

When your SSD manufacturer has a statement in print that one should not use System Restore, then please post such.
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13 Sep 2010   #7
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I have my system restore turned off. It is a feature that gets trumped up by a few reports of it actually working, yet you don't hear of all the other issues (like mine) where it has never worked, ever, since it's inception. I turn it off right away and leave it on, and don't ever plan to run it. Most of the time it might work, it just set the system up to repeat the same issue anyway. I would much prefer to solve the issue than jump back in line for it again. No thank you.

If you are concerned, disable it, learn to employ a proper back up method, and be done with it.
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13 Sep 2010   #8
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by thehappyman View Post
So "they" tell us to always turn System Restore off if you are using an SSD.
Not sure who "they" is, but I would never tell anybody to disable system system. Even on an SSD. I'm sure the concern here is limited disk space...so go adjust the total amount of space that you would want it to consume. The people who tell you to disable system restore, are most likely the same people who image their computer on a daily basis and will go back to that in the case of a problem. While I do image my computer, i only do it about once per month and have used system restore in the past to correct pesky little problems without having to resort to an older image.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I have my system restore turned off. It is a feature that gets trumped up by a few reports of it actually working, yet you don't hear of all the other issues (like mine) where it has never worked, ever, since it's inception.
I've only had it NOT work on one computer that I was fixing for a family memory. And it would go most of the way, then blue screen and revert back to where it was...so it didn't make things any worse, but it didn't fix the problem either. Every other time that I have used it on my own personal computers as well as coworker computers it has always worked.
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13 Sep 2010   #9
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

System Restore has saved me much anguish. We all have our own experiences. I will agree that System Restore did not work correctly or well in Vista. One of the pleasant surprises with Win 7 is that System Restore works as advertised and has been a life-saver for me.

There are some disk and some av software out there which do not work well, and in fact, work destructively upon System Restore and shadow copies.
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13 Sep 2010   #10
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks View Post
There are some disk and some av software out there which do not work well, and in fact, work destructively upon System Restore and shadow copies.
Many AV vendors also recommend disabling System Restore, because some malware can hide there and reinfect the system. Maybe this isn't the case anymore, but I've learned to just properly back up my system, and my users systems, so there's never been a need to chance System Restore. I can just reimage and restore my data, same as all of my users.
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