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Windows 7: Backup problems and error

21 Oct 2010   #1
VitaliD

Windows7 64x ultimate
 
 
Backup problems and error

Hello, I have some problem with system image.
First of all, I have few hdd. My system looks like drive 0 C: system 50 gb 19 of it in use. 2nd partition of it F: used for file storage. Drive 1 D: & E: games and data/films. Free space like 700 gb at D: and 400 gb at E:
When I try to backup system image I have error that "not enough space" (!) i did defragmenration and error check. Looks fine but still I can't do image. And yes, I did system restore from backup recently, before all worked fine. Any tips? Thanks.

Update. Formated disk E: that not system, dosent work at all backup...

I really don't want to try repair it with disk, it often cause to whole reinstall or more bugs, and I don't want to waste whole weekend restoring pc..
Soon as I get home I'll post error code. Thanks for help.


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21 Oct 2010   #2
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

I had the same problem once. The problem was the 100MB partition. If there is not at least 40 MB of free space there, you cannot do a system image. That has been a common problem for many people. Microsoft is aware of the issue and either cannot or have not found a solution. The only work arounds I am aware of involve a clean install. That was the only way I fixed mine - without the dreaded 100 MB partition.
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21 Oct 2010   #3
VitaliD

Windows7 64x ultimate
 
 

Damn it, I really don't want reinstall win7 it's waste of weekend!!!
But there is a way to avoid windows to create 100mb partition, if I do this, I can avoid same problems in the future?
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21 Oct 2010   #4
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

All I can tell you is that it has worked for me - so far.
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21 Oct 2010   #5
Ztruker

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

Try a different backup program like Acronis True Image or Macrium Reflect (Free)?
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22 Oct 2010   #6
VitaliD

Windows7 64x ultimate
 
 

Solved problem, easy like 2+2
Shrink free space in disk manager, I do like 470 mb. It's need to be lower then 500 mb.
Assigned letter H:
Now run cmd and type bcdboot.exe c:\windows /s h:
Then you will se in bottom line boot record created successful or something like this. Then go to diskmanager and remove letter from this partition and make it active. Do not delete old one before you restart pc and successful boot on new one.
If you did mistakes, and pc cant boot and you get error missing boot sector.
Go to repair tool. Start cmd
Then type
Diskpart
Diskpart list disk you will see all of your disks
Then I have my old boot sector at disk 1
Diskpart select disk 1
Diskpart list partition
You will see all partition of this disk. I know that 100 mb one is bootable an it's number 2
Diskpart select partition 2
Diskpart active
Reboot
Your system will boot.
Note. You type Diskpart only once, after that only comands that I listed.
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22 Oct 2010   #7
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

Interesting approach.

I do believe that you didn't exactly record the steps.

Would you do me a favor an review what you wrote?

Was you objective to make the normal 100 mb partition larger?

Incidentally, I've never run across the problem you described nor does the backup software require a certain amount of space in the 100 mb partition. Remember some of us have completely eliminated the 100 mb partition.
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22 Oct 2010   #8
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by karlsnooks View Post
Interesting approach.

I do believe that you didn't exactly record the steps.

Would you do me a favor an review what you wrote?

Was you objective to make the normal 100 mb partition larger?

Incidentally, I've never run across the problem you described nor does the backup software require a certain amount of space in the 100 mb partition. Remember some of us have completely eliminated the 100 mb partition.
I had this same problem and went to microsofts discussion board. There were many people who wewe having this same issue. According to many of the microdft employees there, when you do a system image, it places a temp. folder in the 100MB partition-that is where it stores the information for the backup, it then downloads that info from the temp folder to your backup location and then does the same again until the system image is complete. after the system image the temp folder removes itself. However, there must be a minimum of 40MB of free space in the 100MB partition in order to do any backup. That is why many people have done away with the 100MB partition, so that this does not happen. I believe that many backup programs esp. Acronis put their own folder in there for their backups and cause this problem. If you will check, Acronis for one completly takes over the backup protion of control pannel at intallation. Many of the backup programs work using the systems restore points in order to do their backups. I had to do a complete reinstallation to solve the problem. I formatted the 100 MB partition, but left it there. Then I formatted the rest of the disk and installed windows 7 there. It seems that if it is installed behind anoyher partition, it will not create the 100 MB partition. Since I have done that, I have had no problems at all. the 100MB partition is still thereb but it is just unallocated space now. I guess I could remove it and explnd thr C drive but I have not tried. I am using a 1TB disk and figured 100MB would not make any difference to me.

All of the info i have told you here is from Microsofts own people. They have been aware of the prob;em for over 1 1/2 years and have no come up with a solution yet. BTW, according to them, if you remove the 100MB partition, your system will not boot. It begins the boot and then hands it off to the C drive. That is why the 100mb partition is the active partition. Even those people who have managed to expand that partition (480MB's is the max. according to Msft) whatever is causing the problem has filled up that space also. If you disagree with any of this, please don't argue with me. All of this is according to microsoft. That is one of the many reasons many people, like me, have done away with that 100MB partition. Although MSFT people claim it is better to have your boot section seperate from your OS. All that I know is I dont and it is working well for me. But because of the problems mentioned in this post is why I and many others I understand, have done away with the 100MB boot partition. Hope this helps- it took me days af research to understand why I was having those problems.
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22 Oct 2010   #9
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

somewhere fact and fiction have gotten mixed up.

Those discussion boards are not "microsoft" people. There will be some people there with MVP status. They also are not microsoft people.

You do not need the 100 mb partition.
I do not have one on this very laptop. My C partition is the very first partition on the drive.

To prepare a drive for win 7 install without the 100mb partition see:
Clean Install - Prepare a drive for

Only a person with win 7 ultimate or win 7 enterprise who wants to use bitlocker to encrypt his c drive needs that 100mb partition (supposedly). I haven't tested that one yet. For all other purposes, you do not need it.
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22 Oct 2010   #10
Tews

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

It is for these reasons that I use Acronis Home Image 2010 for all of my backup needs... It is a very flexible, feature rich application, and it has NEVER failed me. I guess you could call me a fanboi, but with few exceptions (Macrium Reflect) most free backup programs just dont get it for me.... NB: opinions may vary.
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