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Windows 7: Images are more important than ever

20 Mar 2011   #71
z3r010

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Kado897,
I don't believe SP1 has any affect on the recovery partition (how could it). I thought the issue was with system restores hence the title of the thread.
Some OEM's give the option to just restore system files, leaving user files intact (My samsung laptop does), if the system had been upgraded with a service pack then that option would most likely screw it up rather than fix.


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20 Mar 2011   #72
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Kado897,
I don't believe SP1 has any affect on the recovery partition (how could it). I thought the issue was with system restores hence the title of the thread.
Some OEM's give the option to just restore system files, leaving user files intact (My samsung laptop does), if the system had been upgraded with a service pack then that option would most likely screw it up rather than fix.
I agree. Acer has something similar.
I was talking about the (complete) factory restore option. That is, the condition when you first turned the PC on.
Thanks for clarifying the point.
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For my ACER at least the factory restore/recovery partition rebuilds the whole system based on the files on that partition alone. These files know nothing about SP1 or anything else on the disk as far as I am aware.
The DVD factory restore disks are basically a copy of that partition and can be used for a new HDD as can an image of the recover partition.
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20 Mar 2011   #73
kado897

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I believe mine (HP) is a complete restore.
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20 Mar 2011   #74
Bare Foot Kid
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
I believe mine (HP) is a complete restore.

You should get a back-up option during the process using the recovery partition, I did, this is from my old HP machine.

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20 Mar 2011   #75
kado897

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That's good to know, although I am paranoid about backing up files frequently.
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21 Mar 2011   #76
unifex

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64)
 
 

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Moreover, by placing my files on a separate partition/drive allows me to create whatever folder structure I want. With this in mind, I am not sure what is the problem of "integrating a data partition into the Windows data environment". I think the advice whs is giving referrs to the actual standard folders from the C:\Users\YouUsername.

Personally I don't use those folders at all. I put my files into whatever folder I want on my data partition. The standard user folders created by Windows I keep where they were created, or, in case of a SSD, move them to some separate partition. Thi sis because some programs insist on writing their temporary files into this structure and I prefer to avoid extra writing to my SSD. Other than that, I forget them.

As a result, I just need to organise my data in the data partition, but there is nothing special about moving data there, just cut and paste.
Exactly so.

I have NEVER used the C:\Users structure and have NEVER saved anything on C willfully.

Nor do I use libraries.

All personal data is on D. Windows slings some stuff into subfolders of C:\users of its own accord, but I never have to refer to it or deal with it.

I can drag and drop at will without any concern for properties or permissions.
Hmm, sounds like you prefer to do things the old way. But the Windows7 library and folder structure is much more advanced. Why not take advantage of it. And using drag and drop for moving data is really working without a net. There are better and safer ways to copy/move data. I would not want to go 10 years back.

Interesting.

I know two ways of moving/copying data - either through the command prompt or through the GUI. When you are in the command prompt you have to type a command, most usually with the full path of the destination. When you are using the GUI you can either cut and paste, or drag and drop.

Now, am I missing something? Are there any other (new) ways to move a file between folder A and folder B?
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21 Mar 2011   #77
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Yes there are, from the context menu. But that is not "new". Context Menu - Add Copy To Folder and Move To Folder
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21 Mar 2011   #78
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there
The whole" Recovery Partition" is just a CON.
You've paid for WINDOWS when you bought you computer so IMO you should get a FULL RETAIL copy of a WINDOWS install disk or at the VERY LEAST the OEM copy.

Then buy something like ACRONIS -- you can restore to your heart's content even if your whole HDD has got trashed.

Typical W7 installations only take at the most around 20 mins to recover the whole partition.

Incidentally ALWAYS split your OS away from the data -- say have around 50 GB for the OS and partition the rest of your HDD into Data etc -- one or more partitions depending on the size of the HDD.

Cheers
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21 Mar 2011   #79
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote:
The whole" Recovery Partition" is just a CON.
You've paid for WINDOWS when you bought you computer so IMO you should get a FULL RETAIL copy of a WINDOWS install disk or at the VERY LEAST the OEM copy.
The question is how much you would be willing to pay for that. The OEMs pay MS about $40 for a Windows Home Premium that costs aroud $ 200 retail. Making DVDs for each shipped system is a lot of additional cost and a logistics nightmare. And most people will probably never use this DVD because either they have no need or they have lost it by the time they need it. Besides, reinstalling from the recovery partition is a lot more convenient.

But if you call your PC manufacturer, they will ship you a DVD. I got those from Gateway and from HP - both charged $20.
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22 Mar 2011   #80
unifex

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Yes there are, from the context menu. But that is not "new". Context Menu - Add Copy To Folder and Move To Folder
Yes, you can do that as well. But I don't see how's that better (or really different) than copy and paste. And in any case, that has nothing to do with the new user folder structure in Windows 7 being "much more advanced" than simply putting data on a separate partition and organizing it there to ones personal taste.

Libraries on the other hand are not limited to C:\User\ folders. You can use any folders in Libraries. I just don't find it useful to have thousands and thousands of files on one single Explorer page. If I had 15 files scattered over different hard drives, a Library would be useful. But that's me.
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