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Windows 7: Backup: System Images

17 Nov 2009   #11
Tripper

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Sold! I guess I was a bit too optimistic about Windows 7, but you all have convinced me otherwise. I looked at Paragon, and it looks very well done. I'm sure some of the others are, too. Thanks, everyone!


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17 Nov 2009   #12
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I made the interface for it.

Here - unzip this,

Express Launch.zip

put the 2 files ( not the folder) inside the program folder

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Paragon Software\Backup and Recovery 10 Free Edition\program".

If you are on 32 bit - it will be

"C:\Program Files\Paragon Software\Backup and Recovery 10 Free Edition\program".

Inside the program folder , it will look like this:

Backup: System Images-br-2-2009-11-18_012107.jpg

Then just rt click the Paragon shortcut you already have on your desktop and add the three letters exp, as you see here:

Backup: System Images-b-r_exp_shrtcut2009-11-18_011107.jpg

Then click Apply, click OK.

Or you can make a separate shortcut, if you like.


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17 Nov 2009   #13
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

As others have said, the true problem is that the file system on the external drive is FAT32. This file system cannot handle a file over 4GB in size...so all of these backups apps are going to fail unless you can configure the backup to output multiple 2GB files or something.

If you just want an image, the built-in Windows 7 "system image" does a very good job. I've used it numerous times and it's always worked just as it should. It doesn't have advanced functionality like keeping multiple backups or doing incremental backups...but depending upon your needs...these functions may be unnecessary.

For example, I just load Windows, the core drivers and then activate. I then take an image. That's the only image that I need. I like to always start out clean and I don't really want a dozen plus apps put back on..some of which I might not actually be using anymore. So for me, the Windows "System Image" fits the bill perfectly and I don't need to incur the expense of the paid commercial applications.

And if you do a quick format, it should not take 10 hours to format a 1TB drive.
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17 Nov 2009   #14
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Nothing really wrong with Windows Backup. You can adjust a setting so it only keeps one image of your system and its incremental backups are standard with other apps. As for the drive, it should have come with NTFS, I'm fairly sure mine did.
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17 Nov 2009   #15
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

You can't make an image of D - then restore to G

You can't make an image of just a non system partition - or any combination thereof

You can't move the image, rename it, and then still browse to it and use it

You can't make an image of the drive using the boot disc - essential if you can't boot in.

You can't change the speed or compression.

You can't attach another drive and restore the image to that. You don't get exclude options, or the option to image using built in snapshot drivers , if VSS is playing up - the list is endless.

It is no use to me. Luckily, there are FREE ones that are so much better.
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17 Nov 2009   #16
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
You can't make an image of D - then restore to G

You can't make an image of just a non system partition - or any combination thereof

You can't move the image, rename it, and then still browse to it and use it

You can't make an image of the drive using the boot dic - essential if you can't boot in.

You can't change the speed or compression, you can't attach another drive and restore the image to that. You don't get exclude options, or the option to image using built in snapshot drivers , if VSS is playing up - the list is endless.

It is no use to me. Luckily, there are FREE ones that are so much better.
Its unnecessary to have another image, the critical one is your system.

The image will be used when its necessary and you can browse to it when you work your way through a few UAC prompts.

Why would you want an image when you can't boot? That would be a time for restore.

The speed is fine for a 7200RPM external drive connected via USB - and VSS normally works until something breaks it.
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17 Nov 2009   #17
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I have a lot of partitions - several o/s - not all are ntfs - like many enthusiasts - of course we need more than just an image of the system partition and we need the ability to restore them elsewhere.

Being able to make an image when you can't boot can be a lifesaver - extraordinary you should ask. Have you been on the beer? .LOL
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17 Nov 2009   #18
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Yes, SIW2....all of us have different needs and that makes some applications more practical for some than others.

While I too am an enthusiast...I usually handle my multiple operating systems
1). On physically different hardware
2). Virtual machines

For me, on my sole Windows 7 machine, I just need to be able to back up my 80GB SSD (C drive) to my 1TB storage drive (D) right after install. It's almost barely not worth even making the image.
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17 Nov 2009   #19
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I see 2 schools of thought - and both are perfectly valid:

1. The "keep it simple" school - and I am of that kind. Keep everything seperate. I run 3 systems on 1 box. One is the Vista base, a second one is a Win7 in a virtual partition and I now install another Win7 on an SSD that I switch with the BIOS boot sequence (no double booting). I use Norton Ghost (partly because I did not know better 2 years ago). I only make full images, no incrementals, because those I can delete selectively without disturbing the tree. For the wife I set up the Maxtor One Touch Manager. All she needs to do is to connect the disk and touch the button. Nothing is easier.
I also have 6 external disks for my 4 systems (2 here in Florida and 2 back home in Germany). That also helps to keep things uncluttered.
2. Then there are the system setups that require a more complex approach. Systems with 2, 3, or 4 multiboot operating systems and constrained external disk space (or just 1 disk). People who have those complex setups also tend to shove things around quite frequently. For them compression, icrementals, restoration from A to B, etc are important prequisites. It results in a much tighter setup but also requires a lot more planning and thought.

Bottom line, one can argue for either side depending on the individual requirements. Fortunately all those options are out there and we can pick what suits us the best.
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17 Nov 2009   #20
gregrocker

 

I know it irks my friend SIW2 that I relentlessly urge newbies to "use Win7 Backup Imaging to create an image (stored externally) used to reimage your HDD flawlessly in 15 minutes, so you never have to reinstall."

I only do this to take advantage of Win7 bringing backup imaging to the masses for the first time, which is why it needs repeating since most ordinary users filter out "backup imaging" like it is Martian.

Only because it is built in, simple and rudimentary is it easily understandable for the first time to newbies, and most are thrilled that they never have to reinstall an OS again if they take it up.

Later they can advance to Acronis, Paragon HD Mgr, etc. But now, even to suggest free Macrium gets mostly ignored unless we are doing open heart surgery on botched multi-boots.
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