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Windows 7: Windows 7 Repair Disc needs USB 3 support intergrated

31 Jan 2019   #11
gordo999

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Why not just put all the drivers into that first folder? It should recurse through any sub folders.

Good idea, I'll give that a try.



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Where did you get that info from ? Did they suggest removing the original vga driver as well?
Do you have a link to where you got that from?

No. The article is about a fresh install of Win 7 on an 8th generation mobo. On my installed version I was using Intel drivers for the mobo video and NVidia drivers for the GEForce card.


However, when I booted the installed version, it ran fine with the installed NVidia card connected to the monitor, right up to the logon screen. Of course, I could not get past that screen because I have no USB 3 drivers installed. Apparently the Intel USB 3 drivers on the 8th gen mobo handle USB 2 as well.



What you say is a consideration, however. The Intel drivers listed are for the mobo video but the graphics looked fine through my NVidia card right to the logon screen. I was surprised.



I'll have to find the link again. The package is Intel_VGA_Graphics_21.20.16.4839_43 and I had to add a line under the Windows 7 install section in the INF file

'%iKBLULTGT2% = iSKLD_w7, PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_5917'


Ok....here's original link to the PDF file with instructions.


http://www.kenyapages.net.nz/files/I...oIntelGen8.PDF


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01 Feb 2019   #12
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Not sure how that will work in winpe. Probably it will attempt to load the standard vga.sys.

It is possible in winpe (with csm) to switch to admin account and load the inbox intel graphics drivers
drvload.exe X:\Windows\System32\driverstore\FileRepository\igdlh.inf_amd64_neutral_54a12b57f547d08e\igdlh.inf

Then switch back to system account to achieve aero glass.

It seems the graphics drivers can only be loaded under admin account.

Maybe removing the standard vga.sys and associated reg entries will force the third party graphics drivers to load at winpe startup.


Install Windows 7 at UEFI Graphics Output Protocol (GOP) hardware - Windows 7 - reboot.pro
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01 Feb 2019   #13
gordo999

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Maybe removing the standard vga.sys and associated reg entries will force the third party graphics drivers to load at winpe startup.

Thanks for advice. The problem for me is getting to a command line. If I get to one I have several options.


Discovered 'PnPutil' last night that seems to take an inf file in a directory and install drivers into a running copy of Windows from a command line. I also discovered a way to edit the registry in an offline OS using the registry of an online OS. Basically, you load the required hive from the offline OS and it shows up in the online regedit using a name you select. I presume you can then add entries from an inf file that will allow windows to load drivers.


I have a 2005 era copy of Wininternals, which creates an artificial Windows envirionment for XP. You can use it like a visual command line editor. It works on win 7 but it won't even boot on this chipset.


I'd like to find a similar bootable editor that will run on the 8th gen chipset. Maybe Hirens or BartPE. Oddly enough, if I boot with the Win 10 repair disk, with no win 10 OS connected, I can access the win 7 disk on the command line utility. I can also connect the win 10 OS drive



I may be out of luck re video drivers. I read that 7th generation chipsets can be fooled into loading win 7 video drivers but that my 8th gen chipset running an i5-8400 processor can't.



I am not looking for full graphics capability from the online graphics, just enough to see what I'm doing. I don't plan to use win 7 for in-depth graphics. A simple VGA setup would be fine preferably with enough power to load text and icons in better resolution than 800 x 600. Maybe NVidia has a driver that will work for win 7 through win 10.


Having said that, my NVidia card (and the online graphics) loads Win 7 fine up till the logon screen. With your app it loads to a nice, blue screen and I need to figure out why it won't load any further.
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01 Feb 2019   #14
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Quote:
I'd like to find a similar bootable editor that will run on the 8th gen chipset.
16299x64-v2.iso
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02 Feb 2019   #15
gordo999

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Pleased as punch

I have Windows 7 Ultimate running on an 8th generation Intel 300-series chipset with an i5-8400 processor. The only thing missing is the USB 3 drivers. The board is an Asus B360M-C and I understand Asus have released Win 7 drivers for other Asus boards.



The display is great, running on the stock vgapnp.sys drivers from my original install. I have full resolution at 1920 x 1080 pixels and it's stable. I had expected to see yellow flags all through Device Manager but the only thing I need is a USB driver and an HD Audio driver. I provided a link in an earlier post to directions for automated driver download.



I got win 7 going by using a PS/2 mouse and keyboard with another keyboard plugged into a USB port. The USB let's me select win 10 or win 7 and the PS/2 keyboard let's me enter my password at logon screen.


I have been advised to get a USB 3 PCIe card and use that for win 7. Other than that, so far win 7 is very stable.
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02 Feb 2019   #16
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Quote:
The display is great, running on the stock vgapnp.sys drivers from my original install. I have full resolution at 1920 x 1080 pixels and it's stable.
How did you fix the display issue you had earlier?
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04 Feb 2019   #17
gordo999

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
How did you fix the display issue you had earlier?

Ironically, I did not have to do anything. The stock win 7 driver I named in a recent post did everything.



I had win 7 running on it's own hard drive on an older Intel desktop board. All I did was plug the HD into the new Asus B360M-C motherboard and it ran till the logon screen. Of course, I could not go farther because I had no USB input for keyboard/mouse.



When I figured out how to use a USB keyboard to select win 7 from the old boot menu, which also had XP listed, it ran to the logon screen. I had another keyboard and mouse connected to PS/2 ports on the Asus board and they allowed me to logon.



I am currently running win 7 on a generation 8 mobo chipset with OS/2 drivers. I just can't boot with them, hence the USB keyboard. I suppose if I had let the boot run till the boot manager timeout it would have run naturally to the logon screen. However, with win 10 connected as well it would run automatically to W10. As it is, I can select win 7 from the boot menu with the USb keyboard.



BTW...my boot menu was mangled by the win 7 repair disk but the win 10 repair disk fixed it (repair startup option) to show both win 7 and 10 at boot time.



I got to the win 7 desktop and it looked normal except for the vga-type large icons. When I went to Control Panel/Display section and reset the resolution to 1920 x 1080, it did so immediately, so my current driver must be at least a Super-VGA driver.



In an earlier post, I mentioned a driver upgrade packages called DriverPack_17.7.129-18120_Network and another called DriverPack_17-Online_1375833458.1545249984. I also included a link to a tutorial on how to find and apply them.


I ran the former from DriverPack.exe. It found a network driver for me and set it up to get me online. Then I used the other package by running 'run.hta' in the Bin directory (right-click file and open). It complains about something but runs anyway. It found SATA drivers and a few other and loaded them for me. I had to run it twice to get all the drivers it offered.


I could not believe how easy it was after the tutorial claimed I should expect 20 or more yellow notification in Device Manager as drivers missing. Most of my stock drivers from Win 7 SP1 were marked as OK.



The second package even updated my NVidia card, although I have not tried it. I am interested to see whether a Creative Soundblaster SB0550 XFi sound card will run. Right now I am focused on finding a solution to the USB 3 issue. I tried to run the Intel Intel(R)_USB_3.0_eXtensible_Host_Controller_Driver_5.0.4.43_v2 but the setup complains that the hardware is wrong.



I am wondering if a modification to the INF file in that package may work. I don't want to mess with it without being better informed so I am reading and comparing device numbers, INF files, and the win 10 registry for USB entries.
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04 Feb 2019   #18
gordo999

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

Thanks, appreciate it. Sorry, I had missed your post hence the late reply.
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05 Feb 2019   #19
gordo999

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Update...I now have win 7 Ultimate running on 8th generation chipset (Intel B360) with USB 3 operating. Had to use a peripheral USB 3 card...Vantec UGT-PC341 and a whole lot of fiddling around. Took some time to configure the Logitech Unifying device for my mouse but the keyboard, which plugged straight in to the USB 3 card, ran right away.



I am running the Unifying receiver on a USB 2 extension box that is plugged into a USB 3 output on the USB card. I now have 11 available USB 2 port or a combination of USB 2 and 3.



Microsoft are abject liars. Win 7 runs fine on the 8th generation boards. I now have all functionality to prove it. Microsoft is obviously trying to force users to use Windows 10 by not supplying the proper drivers.



Totally pathetic!!!


When I have time, I'm going to see if I can run XP on the same chip just as I once ran Win 98 on a win 7 level motherboard. I need XP sometimes for older apps but I could run it in a VM if required.



Where there's a will, there's a way.



Thanks again, SIW2 for your help.
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05 Feb 2019   #20
gordo999

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

ps. Microsoft are such a load of jerks that they are blocking Win 7 users from updates if they detect the user is using a chipset generation beyond 6 or 7. Be careful to avoid all updates for W7 that relate to telemetry or an improvement in user experience. They are sometimes labeled as updates to Win 7 to prepare them for upgrade, like KB2952664.



The reason they are blocking W7 is obvious. With a faster, modern 8th generation mobo there's no visible difference between W7 and W10. With Classic Menu applied to Win 10, they look virtually the same.



If security is not a major issue, as in an office environment, considering all the downsides of W10, like Microsoft spying, etc., there's no reason to upgrade. A good free firewall like Comodo, when set up properly, will weed out hacker attacks.


If you don't invite malware past the firewall by clicking on links in emails, or downloading unknown software, there's little reason to worry.



I use a different machine for online financial transactions. I set Comodo free Internet Security in Paranoid Mode and it reacts to anything unusual. A system level keylogger (rootkit) may foil it but if you stay away from activating unknown links, downloading unknown software, without first running it in a sandbox, use a Javascript controller, like NoScript, you should not be picking up rootkits.



If you get caught in that situation where Microsoft detects a higher generation chipset and blocks you, Google wufuc at Github.


Cannot believe Microsoft could be so childish.
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