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Windows 7: Clone drive C: (500 GB HDD - 2 partitions) onto 125 GB SSD ?

18 Jun 2017   #11
bawldiggle

XP Pro (x86) | 7 HP (x86) & (x64) | 7 Pro (x64)
 
 

@ RolandJS

I have 3 docks, but what I find a pain is taking the flimsy back off the (Lenovo) laptop to swap drives in and out.
- one old Toshiba fell apart (age) while trying to clone the HDD to a (hopefully) SSD backup/clone.
- now the Toshiba is disassembled while waiting for parts from offshore.
My ultimate aim is to have the SSD as the Lenovo archive clone and the HDD as the system in the Lenovo
I keep all my data on an external 1TB HDD so I can have all my stuff available to multiple PCS


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18 Jun 2017   #12
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RolandJS View Post
LadyF, one of several reasons I prefer full imaging over cloning is that cloning eliminates any existing MFT content on the target just as it begins the cloning operation. Full imaging doesn't care what is already on the target backup HD just as long as there is enough byte-space for the upcoming full image.
I'm missing the point here.
An image of selected partitions will surely replace the Master File Table of each of the selected partitions.
In the case of my OS SSD drive I've started wiping the drive with Partition Wizard (quick 0 fill) before running a Macrium image restore. I have a reason for doing this and am still deciding if it is absolutely necessary in all situations.
See here for reason:
Macrium system image restore after blue screen - Very confused.

Both utilities are on the same usb flash drive so I just run the wipe followed immediately by the restore.
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18 Jun 2017   #13
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bawldiggle View Post
The new SSD is not recognized by WinExp - Computer

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But it is listed in Computer Management -> Storage -> Disk Management.
- as disk 3 (SSD) is not initialized.

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When Computer Management -> Storage -> Disk Management is opened this popup appears.

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Do I need to format the SSD ?
- if so MBR or GPT ?

Would I make an image (file) of source HDD C:\ drive
.... logically save to an external USB media.
... swap the raw SSD into the laptop
... and then "somehow" add/insert/restore the saved image onto the raw SSD ?

Reducing the source HDD to one partition would make cloning the HDD to the SSD simpler,
but I would like to learn how to add an image to an empty SSD (drive) ... if it can be done ?
@Lady Fitzgerald. In another thread you described imaging the system (well outlined), now I cannot find your post.

Thank you
You will need to initialize and format the SSD before you can clone or restore an image to it. The type—MBR or GPT—should be the same as the source disk.

I've written a lot on imaging. I would have to also search for it and not knowing exactly what you are looking for would complicate the search.
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18 Jun 2017   #14
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RolandJS View Post
LadyF, one of several reasons I prefer full imaging over cloning is that cloning eliminates any existing MFT content on the target just as it begins the cloning operation. Full imaging doesn't care what is already on the target backup HD just as long as there is enough byte-space for the upcoming full image.
If you are using cloning for a backup, then that would be a problem, However, cloning is not the proper process to back up a drive. While cloning can be used for backing up a drive (many people here do just that), it is not the best way because it will essentially erase everything on the target drive (duh, that's what cloning is supposed to do) and it is a waste of resources because you can have only one clone, and only the clone, per drive. Imaging is usually the best way to backup a drive (the exception is to have a ready to go replacement drive handy for quick replacement if the original drive should totally die; I do that with my notebooks in case I need to do a quick field replacement but I also use images for backups on another drive).

Cloning is best used for replicating drives, not for making backups. If you are replicating a drive on another drive, you do not want any of the original content to remain on the target drive. Cloning is the most efficient way to transfer all of the contents of a drive to another drive, such as when replacing an HDD with another HDD or an SSD.
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18 Jun 2017   #15
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bawldiggle View Post
@ RolandJS

I have 3 docks, but what I find a pain is taking the flimsy back off the (Lenovo) laptop to swap drives in and out.
- one old Toshiba fell apart (age) while trying to clone the HDD to a (hopefully) SSD backup/clone.
- now the Toshiba is disassembled while waiting for parts from offshore.
My ultimate aim is to have the SSD as the Lenovo archive clone and the HDD as the system in the Lenovo
I keep all my data on an external 1TB HDD so I can have all my stuff available to multiple PCS
Curious. The backs on the two Lenovo notebooks I'm using are an absolute joy to remove for cleaning or replacing RAM or the drive.

Back to the ranch topic... Why would you want to use the SSD as an archival drive? That's kind of like using a Mercedes as a backup vehicle for a Ford Focus. Data is data, no matter where it is stored. An HDD is just fine for archiving data so why not put the SSD into your computer after cloning so you can benefit from its increased speed and the better battery life it will give your computer and only keep the original HDD as a quick and dirty replacement to quickly get the computer up and running until you can get a replacement SSD if the SSD ever dies (that's what I did with the HDDs I removed from my notebooks; also, SSDs are actually more reliable in use than HDDs).

You should still use imaging for backing up the System files (OS and programs) and keep your data on another partition so you can use a more efficient folder/file syncing program for backing up the data. The backups should be kept on drives other than the archival HDD, ideally on an onsite backup drive and on an offsite backup drive.
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18 Jun 2017   #16
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
I'm missing the point here.
An image of selected partitions will surely replace the Master File Table of each of the selected partitions.
In the case of my OS SSD drive I've started wiping the drive with Partition Wizard (quick 0 fill) before running a Macrium image restore. I have a reason for doing this and am still deciding if it is absolutely necessary in all situations.
See here for reason:
Macrium system image restore after blue screen - Very confused.

Both utilities are on the same usb flash drive so I just run the wipe followed immediately by the restore.
I'm thinking the point is Roland is referring to using cloning for backing up drives. Imaging is more appropriate for backups. Cloning should be used only for replicating drives, not as a sole method of backing up drives.
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18 Jun 2017   #17
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I'm thinking the point is Roland is referring to using cloning for backing up drives. Imaging is more appropriate for backups. Cloning should be used only for replicating drives, not as a sole method of backing up drives.
It still doesn't make sense.
Full imaging will replace (virtually) everything. You'll get a new MFT and contents consistent with what is in the image file. Differential and incremental imaging are a bit of an exception but I stick to full imaging and wouldn't even consider incremental.

My main working data drive contains fairly static data and I keep a clone of it so I can quickly replace the aging internal HDD if/when it fails. You need to complement this with more regular backups.
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18 Jun 2017   #18
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
It still doesn't make sense.
Full imaging will replace (virtually) everything. You'll get a new MFT and contents consistent with what is in the image file. Differential and incremental imaging are a bit of an exception but I stick to full imaging and wouldn't even consider incremental.

My main working data drive contains fairly static data and I keep a clone of it so I can quickly replace the aging internal HDD if/when it fails. You need to complement this with more regular backups.
What still doesn't make sense (hey, I'm old and confuse easily)?

All the backup drives of my data drives are essentially clones in that I can slap one into an internal hot swap bay in my computer and keep on chugging along until I get and install a replacement or I can just simply retrieve a one or more files as needed. The only difference is I don't use cloning to update them (or even make the initial backup most of the time). Cloning takes too long to rewrite the contents of the entire drive to the backup drive every time I update a data drive backup drive and it's inefficient when only a fraction of the data has changed (the same pretty much applies to imaging except you are writing to a new image instead of another drive). Instead, I use a folder/file syncing program that only has to write any new and changed data on the source drive to the destination drive and delete any data on the destination drive that's no longer on the source (the deleted data gets sent to a versioning folder).
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18 Jun 2017   #19
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
What still doesn't make sense (hey, I'm old and confuse easily)?
See my post #12.
Maybe RolandJS cares to comment what he is alluding to.
If the suggestion is that an image restore is generally a faster process than cloning then ok. Operationally the end result should be the same.
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19 Jun 2017   #20
bawldiggle

XP Pro (x86) | 7 HP (x86) & (x64) | 7 Pro (x64)
 
 
Back to OP ...

Well disaster struck ... all my own fault
Using free MiniTools I shrunk the hidden System Recovery partion successfully, but that created unallocated space after System Recovery partition and before C:\ partition.
See image below
Free MiniTools 9.1 (bootable) does not merge partitions. So I reduced the unallocated space to a minimum (5GB?).
Then attempted to shrink C:\ partition from 368GB to approx 120GB to fit my 125 GB SSD
- free AOMEI BackUpper has edit/resize partitions crippled. (available in PRO only)

When Mini Tools lists changes before "applying" those changes one item on the list (bottom left of the bootable GUI) was a very long string that could not be read. GUI can't be resized, nor dragged ... no popup to show the entire string.
I hit "apply" ... and suddenly an empty system partition. Quit free MiniTools.

I have exterminated Windows partition in the source HDD
Confirmed when I rebooted, not even an opportunity access Recovery
Free bootable MiniTools (Linux) could not be booted

The source 500GB HDD had a huge C:\ drive partition plus D:\ partition with a small number of downloads
See image below
Fortunately I had the original HDD 350GB (I had earlier cloned to the 500GB HDD)
Swapped out the dead 500GB for the original 350GB HHD. Backups

After several hours comparing features of Free MiniTools versus free AOMEI Partition Assistant Std. It is very obvious AOMEI Partition Assist is less crippled than MiniTools 10.2 .... but neither free versions merge partitions.

AOMEI offer a commercial package ... BackUpper PRO and Partition PRO which I have purchased, and everything works, no restricted features. Bonus is for 2 PCs and considerably cheaper than other contenders.
Now with the right tools (no crippled-ware) I can get this project done !

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QUESTION: my dead 500GB HDD ?

What do I do with this HDD ?
- try and recover the "lost" partition via Windows ... using AOMEI Partition Assist PRO ... ?
- or wipe the Disk and start again
- I would like to learn how to recover the lost partition, the HDD is spare and not critical

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