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  1. Posts : 4,049
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       #1231

    Cloning and Macrium PE?


    Cloning doesn't seem to work from inside Windows if your VSS service is broken/corrupted.

    Does anyone know if the Macrium PE disk can bypass that issue?

    My friend's laptop has power problems and his SSD has become corrupted as a result.
    Various functions don't work on his machine (SFC can't fix it).
    Strangely enough, almost everything works on his install, except for a few Windows tools and Adobe CS5.

    We couldn't clone his install to the new SSD, using:

    • The Samsung tool
    • Macrium Reflect (inside W7)
    • The "dd" command in Linux (from a Live DVD)

    We tried re-registering the VSS components (as per the Macrium site's instructions regarding the error message we received).

    We wasted so much time the other day.
    I probably could have reinstalled W7 SP1, updated it and installed a few programs in that time.
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       #1232

    I don't think that Macrium will use VSS in the PE disk, after all the reason for using VSS is to allow you to image while doing other work.
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  3. Posts : 4,049
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       #1233

    Thanks kado897


    kado897 said:
    I don't think that Macrium will use VSS in the PE disk, after all the reason for using VSS is to allow you to image while doing other work.
    I was hoping that might be the case.

    I didn't get to try the PE disc the other evening, as my friend had removed his DVD drive and replaced it with his new SSD.

    Also, since his install is corrupted, should we be using "Forensic" imaging instead of "Intelligent" imaging?
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  4. Posts : 10,455
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       #1234

    Forensic imaging will copy every sector including empty ones. CHKDSK /r should correct any filesystem errors it can.
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  5. Posts : 264
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       #1235

    Forensic imaging is a waste of time unless you intend to restore all the deleted files in their deleted state so that you can subsequently use data recovery utilities.

    @Scoop.
    Most malware is unlikely to look for external drives and corrupt them, but I too have a similar fear.

    I make image backups in an internal SATA connected Secondary HDD.
    Subsequently I use TeraCopy to copy those backups to an external eSATA connected HDD,
    and TeraCopy then reads the duplicates and compares the hash checksums and warns me of any data transfer errors.

    Only when copying to the external is that connected up - so it is mostly off-line and not accessible to malware.

    NB
    Never had data transfer errors with eSATA, but did suffer when using USB2 externals.

    NB
    At any time you can validate an image backup, and Macrium will warn if any data corruption has occurred because it incorporates hash checksums. You can validate immediately before you restore.
    Plugging in a clone is an act of faith - there are no checksums or other means of validating.
    (If hash checksums were incorporated in a clone then the clone would be unbootable)
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  6. Posts : 4,049
    W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
       #1236

    kado897 said:
    Forensic imaging will copy every sector including empty ones. CHKDSK /r should correct any filesystem errors it can.
    alan10 said:
    Forensic imaging is a waste of time unless you intend to restore all the deleted files in their deleted state so that you can subsequently use data recovery utilities.
    I'm aware that "Forensic" will copy everything including "empty" sectors. :)

    CHKDSK won't run on his machine.

    After "dd" refused to run from the Live Linux DVD, we scheduled a disc check in W7 and then rebooted.
    CHKDSK "spat the dummy".
    I should have paid more attention to the message (I can't remember what it said).
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 14 Oct 2013 at 07:16. Reason: Quote Added
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  7. Posts : 161
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       #1237

    alan10 said:
    @Scoop.
    Most malware is unlikely to look for external drives and corrupt them, but I too have a similar fear.

    I make image backups in an internal SATA connected Secondary HDD.
    Subsequently I use TeraCopy to copy those backups to an external eSATA connected HDD,
    and TeraCopy then reads the duplicates and compares the hash checksums and warns me of any data transfer errors.

    Only when copying to the external is that connected up - so it is mostly off-line and not accessible to malware.

    NB
    Never had data transfer errors with eSATA, but did suffer when using USB2 externals.

    NB
    At any time you can validate an image backup, and Macrium will warn if any data corruption has occurred because it incorporates hash checksums. You can validate immediately before you restore.
    Plugging in a clone is an act of faith - there are no checksums or other means of validating.
    (If hash checksums were incorporated in a clone then the clone would be unbootable)
    for the info. I had a guess about your point about malware mostly acting as you mentioned, being unlikely to seek out and target external HDD's.

    I'm not familiar with checksums as it relates to cloning. I read a little about it after reading your post and it's interesting info.

    When I clone, I have a routine that (I think) validates my newly-cloned HDD:

    - Install my Target HDD (via hot-swap SATA racks, no tools required, no accessing internal PC needed). Boot up with "Gparted", a Linux CD bootable HDD utility tool. I do this to format my Target HDD outside of Windows prior to starting the cloning process.

    - Format the original HDD. I do this to make it easy to determine the "Source" and "Target" HDD's in the software gui, or with Conezilla, etc. That way, my Target HDD will display an empty bargraph, etc within the software tool. It eliminates human error, selecting the HDD's in reverse.

    - Clone the HDD outside of Windows, usually with my Acronis CD.

    - Remove the Source HDD and install the Target HDD. This prevents Windows from seeing 2 identical bootable HDD's in my PC.

    - Boot up on my Target HDD and insure that it's a working spare HDD. I launch several programs, my Outlook, IE10, etc.

    - Re-install my Source HDD. Insure that it's working ok. Resume everyday PC use until I clone the next time.

    Since I also have a 2nd spare HDD that was also tested to work ok, I'm not vulnerable in the event that a cloning process goes south.

    - I've been cloning every 4-6 weeks since Sept '11 without issues.

    I'm definitely going to learn more about imaging and will soon launch my own imaging activity on a scheduled basis since I like the idea of covering all of the bases with backup tools.

    Thanks again for your info
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  8. Posts : 264
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit SP1 x64
       #1238

    lehnerus2000 said:
    alan10 said:
    Forensic imaging is a waste of time unless you intend to restore all the deleted files in their deleted state so that you can subsequently use data recovery utilities.
    I'm aware that "Forensic" will copy everything including "empty" sectors. :)
    Regardless of what you might be aware of,
    You specifically ask
    "should we be using "Forensic" imaging instead of "Intelligent" imaging?"
    and I answered your ignorance of what you should be using by telling you that it will facilitate data recovery of what were "deleted files" at the time that you create the image.

    If you intend to use something like Lazesoft Recovery to resurrect files deleted from a corrupted install then use Forensic imaging.
    If you wish to only retrieve NON-deleted files from what you image then Forensic will give zero benefit.
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  9. Posts : 264
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit SP1 x64
       #1239

    Scoop said:
    I'm not familiar with checksums as it relates to cloning. I read a little about it after reading your post and it's interesting info.
    Macrium Image backups consist of blocks of compressed data which can be decompressed into sector clusters.
    Each data block is a few Megabytes (documented somewhere) and a hash checksum is recorded for each block.
    Every block must match its hash or it is not valid.
    When the image is restored only the data blocks are decompressed to the target sector clusters,
    the hash values are not written to the target.

    This sort of checksum validation is not feasible for a clone - Its sector clusters need to hold the system data and there is no space for embedding hash checksums.
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    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
       #1240

    With Macrium you need to manually do the validation before a restore. There is nothing automatic and there is no prompt to remind you. The Linux restore disk doesn't have that feature.

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