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Windows 7: Windows Image Backup.. Backup

22 Feb 2012   #11
richc46

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

The idea is to make an image of your operating system - with a 3rd party program like paragon - you can store that image anywhere - e.g. on an external drive.

You can also restore it from an external drive.

You can't do that with windows system image program.

Use a 3rd party app. instead for the extra flexibility.

Then you can delete all the stuff that windows is putting on your D drive.
I must admit that I am confused. Microsoft suggests that you do not keep your image on the same hard drive as the OS (I think this is good advice). Now, you are saying that you cannot use that external to restore to the original hard drive with the OS.
Mind you, I am not saying that you are wrong. I truly dont know. I never had to use the image. I do want to know in case I need to use the image one day.


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22 Feb 2012   #12
bru

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
The idea is to make an image of your operating system - with a 3rd party program like paragon - you can store that image anywhere - e.g. on an external drive.

You can also restore it from an external drive.

You can't do that with windows system image program.

Use a 3rd party app. instead for the extra flexibility.

Then you can delete all the stuff that windows is putting on your D drive.
Windows System Image stores a copy of your entire system on an external drive. Yes it is more than just the OS but it certainly does include it.

The image has to be able to be restored from the external drive. That is the whole point.
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22 Feb 2012   #13
richc46

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Yes, the Image must be able to be restored from the external drive, and I always assumed that it could. That is the reason that MS says that it is best not to store the image on the drive with the OS.
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22 Feb 2012   #14
bru

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The programs mentioned are just other ways to accomplish basically the same thing that the Windows System Image does.
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22 Feb 2012   #15
richc46

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I certainly agree with that statement, but SIW2 says

You can also restore it from an external drive.
You can't do that with windows system image program.

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22 Feb 2012   #16
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bru View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by richc46 View Post
Download this and put an image of your HD on an external hard drive

Free Backup Software: Paragon Backup & Recovery Free Edition - Overview
Isn't that what "Create a System Image" via Windows Backup does? It puts the system image on an external drive. Isn't this just a different program to do the same thing?
If you are lucky it does that. And if you are lucky again (but only on Sunday mornings), you may even be able tp restore from that image.

But seriously. I have seen too many people having problems with Windows imaging and I also had my own share of that - so it is difficult for me to recommend Windows imaging as a viable solution.

If you want to use Windows facilities, use the Wbadmin command, that is safer.
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22 Feb 2012   #17
richc46

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TY Wolgang, I have lost 8kb of clusters on my drive. Not a lot on a 640GB drive, but probably an indication of what is to come. I have back up on an external using Macrium and System Image. I back up once a week now. Every time I change or make a new doucment, I copy on to a USB drive. Im in no rush to buy a new HD, but if Im forced to, Im ready; I hope.
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22 Feb 2012   #18
bru

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
If you are lucky it does that. And if you are lucky again (but only on Sunday mornings), you may even be able tp restore from that image.

But seriously. I have seen too many people having problems with Windows imaging and I also had my own share of that - so it is difficult for me to recommend Windows imaging as a viable solution.

If you want to use Windows facilities, use the Wbadmin command, that is safer.
Your experience and the few others you mention notwithstanding, if there was such a major problem with a major part of the Windows Backup program wouldn't it's faults be known more widely?

There are probably millions of people sitting with System Images created by Windows on their external drives. So all of us will be in for a rude awakening when we try to restore them?

And if there really is a problem wouldn't MS had made some chages to B&R as they do with any other programs that have problems?
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
If you want to use Windows facilities, use the Wbadmin command, that is safer.
OK so assume there is a problem with a major Windows component, how do I use this command?
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22 Feb 2012   #19
whs
Microsoft MVP

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OK so assume there is a problem with a major Windows component, how do I use this command
Wbadmin
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22 Feb 2012   #20
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
You can only restore a windows system image from it's original location .
In my experience this is not actually correct. But it depends on what is meant by "original location".
If you move a Windows image anywhere within an existing partition and/or rename it, you have no problems. You need to move it back and rename if appropriate to "WindowsImageBackup" located in the root directory of a partition.
When you make one off images (not shadow difference images) you are fine.
I do it all the time. Note: moving within partition boundaries does not involve a physical image move.

When you move images across partition boundaries you are physically moving the image folder (lots of GBs!). Not practical but should work subject to the above one off image constraints.

From practical usage I fully support Macrium Reflect as well.
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