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Windows 7: Creating system image questions.

25 Jun 2010   #11
Anomaly

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
Speaking of image restore failures I just saw one with Acronis True Image last night after seeing the new Windows Live Essentials beta installed and act like a virus! Suddenly the tuner card shortcut pinned on the taskbar vanished as well as seeing the Start menu>All Programs folder greyed out and the av protection trashed as well.

When Acronis wouldn't restore an image made a few days ago I simply started up the restoration option in the Backup & Recovery to get everything back and working again. The tuner card app, av protection, and full version of WLM are all working now as they should. Something went wrong with the beta install for sure!
So you had an Acronis image and an image made with the Windows 7 built in image program? If so that extra back up payed off. Your situation is exactly why I use multiple imaging programs.


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25 Jun 2010   #12
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I've restored images before using the built in create system image option and saw each one have positive results while the last image made with Acronis must have been bad for some reason and stalled when trying to restore it. Others have come right back and of course could also be mounted and why Acronis was a good choice for a secondary program.

Images made by more then one resource do provide more insurance of seeing good results. But keep in mind the images here go onto 1tb drives not the 500gb model you have there offering twice the drive space. Even with twice as much images are typically over the 100gb mark when you are working with systems filled with data. Add that to any other files stored and drive space is taken up fast! Just be sure to allow some extra space.
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26 Jun 2010   #13
Anomaly

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
I've restored images before using the built in create system image option and saw each one have positive results while the last image made with Acronis must have been bad for some reason and stalled when trying to restore it. Others have come right back and of course could also be mounted and why Acronis was a good choice for a secondary program.

Images made by more then one resource do provide more insurance of seeing good results. But keep in mind the images here go onto 1tb drives not the 500gb model you have there offering twice the drive space. Even with twice as much images are typically over the 100gb mark when you are working with systems filled with data. Add that to any other files stored and drive space is taken up fast! Just be sure to allow some extra space.
My images are no where near 100gb in size. In fact my Windows 7 image is only 3.5 gb after being compressed with Macrium Reflect.

My systems never have large amounts of data on them. It's the OS and my programs. Data is kept on external drives.
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26 Jun 2010   #14
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anomaly View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
I've restored images before using the built in create system image option and saw each one have positive results while the last image made with Acronis must have been bad for some reason and stalled when trying to restore it. Others have come right back and of course could also be mounted and why Acronis was a good choice for a secondary program.

Images made by more then one resource do provide more insurance of seeing good results. But keep in mind the images here go onto 1tb drives not the 500gb model you have there offering twice the drive space. Even with twice as much images are typically over the 100gb mark when you are working with systems filled with data. Add that to any other files stored and drive space is taken up fast! Just be sure to allow some extra space.
My images are no where near 100gb in size. In fact my Windows 7 image is only 3.5 gb after being compressed with Macrium Reflect.

My systems never have large amounts of data on them. It's the OS and my programs. Data is kept on external drives.
Your compression rate wouldn't be anywhere near as high as it would be seen here with a large volume of various types of files as well as the programs installed. Another item not mentioned was temporary video files being added in as well ending up with a much larger image.

Those only account for just under 27gb untile removed prior to seeing the next image created. Acronis is what I prefer for creating images of secondary drives however since you can mount the images as drives in order to extract what you want when going to lighten things up a bit!

Duplicate or no longer needed files are omitted from restoration once a drive is wiped and the files/dolders are then hand picked for restoration. That's done when a drive gets filled up too fast.
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29 Jun 2010   #15
tcat7

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 
Built in Back up (several questions)

What is the file name when you do a W7 System back-up with image? I have 2 files on my 2nd internal drive (not sure if I need them both):
1. "User"-HOME
2. WindowsImageBackup
Does it make both, or is one from a previous image back up (by itself)?

If I back-up an image to an internal drive (seems to go MUCH faster), can that folder be copied to an external drive and maintain is capabilities (to restore from either location)? Or do I have to back up to one or both places separately?

I have "Syncback" backing up my data files (Libraries) from my internal to my external daily. I have Library files routed to the second drive, if I back up "C" does it automatically back up the links to the second drive (in users folders), or just data on the C drive? I would guess on the internal system back up I can do custom and just back up "C" (but do I need to uncheck the Users folder to prevent libraries from being backed up?)

Are Restore points worth turning on if I'm doing these back-ups?
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29 Jun 2010   #16
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Your #2 item is the actual folder name the backup tool creates for storing the image found in the sub folder with the name of the user account seen there.

The best place for an image is not locally on the C primary/drive but kept safe on another internal or regularly plugged in external HD. The restoration first reformats the existing content before unpacking the image during the restoration process.

As far as restore points each one is dated and is automatically deleted after so long. When Windows is working the best and you create a good image restore points are nothing to worry about until newer ones are created as you go along. Leaving the system restore feature on can save restoring an image when only a minor registry problem from a bad install is seen in order to avoid any loss of new files added since the image was first made.
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30 Jun 2010   #17
gregrocker

 

Be sure to rename any needed multiple-stored image to WindowsImageBackup and place it in the external's root or it won't be detected by the booted Win7 DVD/Repair CD reimaging utility.

I keep multiple images renamed slightly but seem to always go back to the original image which is more pristine since it was made before corruption gradually begins creeping in. This always seems closer to clean-reinstall.
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30 Jun 2010   #18
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

One thing the restorations have seen here with same day images stored on different drives is the detection of the "recommended" latest image found while the one on another drive not the first location wasn't pointed to. The recovery tool when booted live from the tool not from the 7 dvd does that when used.
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01 Jul 2010   #19
Anomaly

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Be sure to rename any needed multiple-stored image to WindowsImageBackup and place it in the external's root or it won't be detected by the booted Win7 DVD/Repair CD reimaging utility.

I keep multiple images renamed slightly but seem to always go back to the original image which is more pristine since it was made before corruption gradually begins creeping in. This always seems closer to clean-reinstall.
Have you tried to restore a renamed image to verify this?

One thing I noticed with renaming the image. I have a couple images on my external hard drive and simply added the month to the name of the image as recommended to me in this thread. When I launch the image feature in Windows 7 to make another image I get a message indicating where the most recent image I made is. That image is renamed and windows still detects it. So I wonder why it wouldn't when booted from the recovery CD as you suggested?
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01 Jul 2010   #20
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Very good questions Anomaly.

1) I rename images but never tried the acid test of recovery

2) Windows image recovery gets hung up with the size of the partition the image was made from so it may get hung up on date issues as well. I don't know that windows is recognising the renamed image but suspect that it keeps a record date of the most recent image it thinks was made. I also suspect that this date is changed when images are deleted through "Manage Space" under backup and restore. This date issue could also apply to simple manually deleting images.

2+) Dates of [WindowsImageBackup] is often different to dates of sub folders and files. If you go down to the vhd file and just mount it (looking but altering) its date modified will change to the date mounted. Will this affect its recovery?

You only have reliable images if you have the answer to these questions.
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