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Windows 7: If Windows 7 has no IE in the EU

27 Jun 2009   #41
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 
tory

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Thanks ken ,

It is Tory - ( only one r) - unlike the wigs, the Tory party still exists and will be the next government.

I don't think he meant that - it makes no sense in the context of the sentence.

You're right I never could spell. makes all the diff in a google search
K


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27 Jun 2009   #42
poin2

Windows7
 
 

For what it's worth, I'd expect:

(1) IE8 available as a Windows Update, perhaps combined with a link to download on the desktop (via FTP or something similar)

(2) OEM's put on their own browser, or at least links to download

(3) Die hards will get their own browser on there anyway

(4) The EU may start mandating multiple browsers come with the OS, where users can choose which gets installed. Of course, they're then going to have issues drawing the line with what gets included and what doesn't. And they'll ultimately decide that it makes the most sense to just include IE by default, and give consumers the ability to uninstall it as they want. Kind of like MS wanted to do in the first place right now.
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01 Jul 2009   #43
Orbital Shark

 
 

*kick*
*scream*
*praise IE*

Still no response
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01 Jul 2009   #44
Snufffed

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
You're right I never could spell. makes all the diff in a google search
K
Sorry for all the confusion. Family thing. so I forgot most will not understand. TORRY from family History - King Geo, to Nathan Hale, John Paul Jones, Browns Ferry.
TORRY was a simple way of saying: dirty, rotten, known to be thief, scoundrel, traitor, spy for. ( we were also Irish) when drunk the story goes rather hard to understand, Great GrandPa, was so TORRY was the esy way. also GrandMa allowed no CURSING. passed thru time. and still today my grandkids understand TORRY.
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01 Jul 2009   #45
Snufffed

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Orbital Shark View Post
*kick*
*scream*
*praise IE*

Still no response
Orbital if I can help
i'll do my best.
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01 Jul 2009   #46
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poin2 View Post
For what it's worth, I'd expect:

(1) IE8 available as a Windows Update, perhaps combined with a link to download on the desktop (via FTP or something similar)

(2) OEM's put on their own browser, or at least links to download

(3) Die hards will get their own browser on there anyway

(4) The EU may start mandating multiple browsers come with the OS, where users can choose which gets installed. Of course, they're then going to have issues drawing the line with what gets included and what doesn't. And they'll ultimately decide that it makes the most sense to just include IE by default, and give consumers the ability to uninstall it as they want. Kind of like MS wanted to do in the first place right now.
Option two and three are plausible but why in the world would the EU do that. With option 2 they eliminate choice, the key factor in their case against Microsoft was the allegations of Microsoft removing their browser competition by stripling choice. Now how is it any better to let the manufacture choose? Because they made the machine so therefore they know the browser best for it? No it is because Microsoft has a big wallet and they are being targeted because they are the easiest to hit. Why isn't the EU suing Apple for Safari? Why aren't anyone complaining against linux distros for providing mostly firefox? Now I am not trying to parade around as a Microsoft fanboy but the suit is so one sided and unfair it is ridiculous and the only people being hurt by it are the people of the EU who are not technologically inclined to get their own browser by themselves. Option 4 is probably what will happen because they will release that they are going in a giant circle and just give up on trying to promote choice instead of eliminating choice
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01 Jul 2009   #47
Generator

XP Pro SP3 x86/Vista SP2 x64/Win7 x64 Triple-boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by netfool View Post
To the OP:

You don't need a browser to get a browser. You can just use the ftp function in dos.
I doubt most will be able to figure that out without internet access to start with. (How would you get the address' to start with for example!)


I got bored and tried this for DL'ing FF without a browser lol!
Paste into notepad and save as a .bat file:
Code:
FTP -i -s:"DL_FF.FTP" -A releases.mozilla.org
then paste this into a new txt file and save as 'DL_FF.FTP':
Code:
HASH
cd /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.5/win32/en-GB/
BINARY
lcd c:\
mget *.exe
then run the .bat file to auto-download Firefox 3.5. for some reason it's touch and go wether it works though and when it does, FF 3.5 will be saved on your drive 'C'.

(I need a new hobby!)

EDIT: I would have done it for IE but cant find a decent 'trusted' ftp to use!
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01 Jul 2009   #48
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Generator View Post
I doubt most will be able to figure that out without internet access to start with. (How would you get the address' to start with for example!)


I got bored and tried this for DL'ing FF without a browser lol!
Paste into notepad and save as a .bat file:
Code:
FTP -i -s:"DL_FF.FTP" -A releases.mozilla.org
then paste this into a new txt file and save as 'DL_FF.FTP':
Code:
HASH
cd /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.5/win32/en-GB/
BINARY
lcd c:\
mget *.exe
then run the .bat file to auto-download Firefox 3.5. for some reason it's touch and go wether it works though and when it does, FF 3.5 will be saved on your drive 'C'.

(I need a new hobby!)

EDIT: I would have done it for IE but cant find a decent 'trusted' ftp to use!
Of course this just proves the roadblock that will be encountered with someone in the EU that is basic at best on the computer who just wants to surf the net. What some people on the forums don't think about is that everyone is not a computer expert, most people are quite computer illiterate (I know I am a IT Professional who handles a Help Desk....you wouldn't believe the questions we get asked)
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06 Jul 2009   #49
Orbital Shark

 
 

Now, there seems to be some 'supprise' at Europe not paying extra for Windows 7 E!

Europe won't pay more for Windows 7. Really!

I'm moving out of the EU, no lie this is people in the EU now being singled out. Others may now start to think "What's so special about them?" or "Poor sad lot, can't even get an internet browser" then laughing at us
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06 Jul 2009   #50
betawind

Ubuntu Linux 8.10
 
 

I honestly have to wonder why anyone would think that Microsoft should include any browser but IE with Windows 7. Why should they pre-package their product with the products of competitors? IE fills a need for most users. For me it is to grab the latest copy of Chrome or Firefox, or for that occasional page that won't render right in IE (I use IE Tabs but it does use the IE engine for the rendering).

For many home users though it is their main browser. If they want to use an alternate, no one's stopping them! There is nothing in the OS that prevents users from downloading an alternate browser! All adding IE to the default install does is make things easier for the new user.

Furthermore, I honestly can't see how bundling IE is monopolistic behavior? It's not like IE is actually winning the browser wars last I checked (from: Browser Statistics). I think Opera is b*ching because they put out a subpar product that hasn't gained marketshare over Firefox or IE, so they're looking at anything that could put a few more users in their pocket. Firefox isn't having any trouble at all competing in this market.

I have to wonder though, what's next? Is Hoyle going to demand trial editions of their card game software be included because MS is monopolizing the Solitaire and Freecell market? Seriously.
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