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Windows 7: Windows 7E will you buy it?

View Poll Results: Will you buy Windows 7E
Yes 37 30.08%
Maybe 14 11.38%
No 53 43.09%
Will buy another version 19 15.45%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

15 Jul 2009   #61
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
It seems there´s no end to this in sight.
just bargaining chips to get MS to finally behave according to the law. You add an option screen to windows and we'll go easy on the other laws you broke. Common when handling criminals.

For the record, also breaking a white collar law makes you a criminal. MS was convicted and fined for breaking the anti-trust laws and as such is not exactly a trustworthy partner to put it mildly.


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15 Jul 2009   #62
Win7exp

Windows 7 b7600 x64
 
 

guess I will have to since its cheaper here now than in USA
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15 Jul 2009   #63
tuckeratlarge

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija View Post
Fair enough argument, but how many rookie users know enough to be able to use command line FTP etc to download a browser. Can Windows Update be used to download and install IE or Firefox? Where will an IM or bittorrent client come from without a browser to use for the download.

Again, how many rookie/novice/noob users have enough knowledge to use command line tools for ftp? If they did have that knowledge, then they won't BE novices, now would they??
Windows Update can be used to download IE8.

Novice or pro - it only takes a slip of paper in the box to instruct how to download IE. Anybody who uses Firefox will have the wherewithal not to have a problem with any of this.

Most people who buy the software on disc and not pre-installed will no doubt have Firefox/Chrome on a usb stick or disc.

I would wager that OEM pre-installs on a new PC will have a variety of browsers already installed.

This whole argument is moot.
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15 Jul 2009   #64
gurm42

Windows 7
 
 

My concern?

How much of Windows depends on IE?

Sure, they've removed the "integration", but at the expense of features I'd imagine. Your explorer windows? IE. Office? IE. Half of the GUI is rendered by IE's DLL's. Have they replaced every single point of integration?

I'm betting the answer is no. I'm betting that the "E" edition offers a SUBSTANTIALLY degraded experience. Y'know, to make the lawmakers happy.
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15 Jul 2009   #65
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gurm42 View Post
My concern?

How much of Windows depends on IE?

Sure, they've removed the "integration", but at the expense of features I'd imagine. Your explorer windows? IE. Office? IE. Half of the GUI is rendered by IE's DLL's. Have they replaced every single point of integration?
i'm sure no one at MS knows where I ends and E begins. I'm also sure it's impossible to separate the 2 now. That they didn't lie when they said they couldn't get it out. Not for lack of (well at least not totally) of will but in great part because the code is now in a state where it's completely beyond any human competence to visualize it's state of integration.

Already with the source code for the shuttle it was admitted that the code was beyond human comprehension and i remember it to be a couple of million lines at the time.

Most blocks of code are generated by codegenerators which in turn are quality controlled by computerized processes. They are then assembled into the codebase via an automated proces that collates the code.

Which is then computer tested.

No way in hell anyone is going to comprehend that, but of course admitting to the world that MS has no idea how it's code works is not what i would advise them to do.

So better to brave the onslaught of the EU, try to make the best of it, hide IE's components and hope for the best.
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15 Jul 2009   #66
garbanzo

7600 x86
 
 

ffs people, it's just an internet browser. if you people want to get political about something, then get political about something important.

if you want IE, then download IE. it's really quite simple.

it's probably not gone anyway. i bet if i type Google into the address bar of Explorer, it will go online...
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15 Jul 2009   #67
Orbital Shark

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nil Einne View Post
That's complete bull****. You don't need an web browser to use the internet. Just because some people don't know the difference between the web and the internet, doesn't mean it's acceptable to spread false claims like that on these forums which are after all intended for a technical audience who should know the difference. Windows 7E will come with Windows Update which uses the internet, activation which can use the internet, in some versions Remote Desktop, ditto, a e-mail client, unless they removed it a command line FTP client which can be used to download stuff including a web browser if you so desire and other servers and client which can connect to the internet in various ways.

Heck for some people IM and bittorrent is more important then a web browser
LOL saying i'm full of sh*t!!

I may be a Guru & a Gold Member, but i'm no 'Command line FTP' expert!! Here's a quote from Microsoft's Win7E page.....
Quote:
The E versions of Windows 7 do not contain an Internet browser. Please get a browser from Microsoft or a third party and have it on a CD/DVD or another device so it’s ready to install after the Windows 7 installation is complete.

Here's the source, to give a little bit of light reading for you
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15 Jul 2009   #68
Orbital Shark

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija View Post
Again, how many rookie/novice/noob users have enough knowledge to use command line tools for ftp? If they did have that knowledge, then they won't BE novices, now would they??
Not me
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15 Jul 2009   #69
Dinesh

Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
 
 

If its just missing IE and saving you some bucks then its not a bad idea. For those who want it and they want to install firefox, then simply open an elevated command prompt and type:

ftp ftp.mozilla.org
anonymous
1234
lcd c:\
cd pub
cd mozilla.org
cd firefox
cd releases
cd 2.0
cd win32
cd en-US
get "Firefox Setup3.0 exe"
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15 Jul 2009   #70
HyperL

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
 
 

I voted for Yes, and not because I don't like IE or because I am a big fan of the EU, but because it will be the only available version to buy from my country. I will certainly install IE8 and Chrome because these are the browsers that I use. Does anybody knows from where can I pre-order W7 Home Premium in Romania? (maybe some of the Romanian users)
I'm sure that there is a way to get IE via WU and live happily ever after...
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