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Windows 7: Windows Mail in Windows 7

08 Oct 2009   #1
asuh

Windows 7 RTM
 
 
Windows Mail in Windows 7

I am coming from Outlook Express (yeah, yeah, all jokes aside) to Windows 7. I have previously tried Windows Live Mail and I don't like it or the way it handles things. I'd love to use Thunderbird but it doesn't run as stable as I'd like. So, I'm back to good 'ole Windows Mail. Then I find out it doesn't exist in Windows 7. Great!

I've been through all the threads--this one, this one, and this one--and I can't find anyone else with my problem, so I hope you can help me! I've already replaced my files several times, restored the Windows 7 files, etc. I've tried many things already!

Background, I'm running Windows 7 x64. Although no one has confirmed this, my suspicion about my problem is that I'm trying to run x86 Windows Mail files on a x64 machine.

When I try to run WinMail.exe from the Program Files x86 directory,it starts infinitely opens WinMail.exe *32 for at least 5 minutes. Then, after a climax of between 4000-6000 WinMail.exe *32 processes, it retreats and slowly starts shutting down all the processes.

I tried to quit the process tree but then a small window pops up and say that it's an invalid process to quit.

After a normal reboot (and after waiting for several minutes for my processes to go back down to normal and all the WinMail.exe processes to shut off), I tried it again and the same thing happens.

I also get the same exact reaction from the 64bit WinMail.exe file in the regular Windows Mail folder.

I right-clicked on one of the processes and it produced a dump file called WinMail.DMP that's 37MB big!!

This is nuts!

I found another copy of Windows 7, copied the Windows Mail directory and completely overwrote both x86 and x64 directories with these other files. So I now do not have any Windows Mail files from Vista. I still get the same problem with both directories trying to execute WinMail.exe. I'm baffled.

Maybe I just need to get ahold of original x64 Windows Mail directory files and folder?



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08 Oct 2009   #2
Jordus

Windows Vista Business / Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Its almost a certainty you will need the 64 bit versions.

Windows Mail (among other things) were removed in Windows 7 in favor of the Windows Live! suite....do those not meet your needs?
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08 Oct 2009   #3
asuh

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jordus View Post
Its almost a certainty you will need the 64 bit versions.

Windows Mail (among other things) were removed in Windows 7 in favor of the Windows Live! suite....do those not meet your needs?
WLM is an alright mail system, but I don't like the way it manages emails. WM isn't any better, but at least I feel like I have more control over what happens. I also don't like the way it heavily integrates into the Hotmail architecture, something that's useless to me.

Outlook Express always had exactly what I needed except one feature which I can live without.

I have a copy of Vista x64 DVD, but I'd have to go searching through the cab files to find these files and folders! Ugh. I don't wanna have to install Vista x64 just to get these files!!
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08 Oct 2009   #4
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by asuh View Post
WLM is an alright mail system, but I don't like the way it manages emails. WM isn't any better, but at least I feel like I have more control over what happens. I also don't like the way it heavily integrates into the Hotmail architecture, something that's useless to me.
How is it managing the email that you do not like? How is it integrating with Hotmail? AFAIK Windows Live Mail is not tied to Hotmail in any way. Maybe if we had more information we could help sort out the problems you are having.

Windows Vista and Windows 7 are not in CAB files, BTW. They are stored in imaged form, called WIM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Imaging_Format These WIM files are fully accessible offline and online (meaning then don't need to be imaged to a HDD).
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08 Oct 2009   #5
asuh

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Here's my main beefs about WLM.
  1. Separate accounts - I use Gmail where I import 4 different accounts into Gmail. When I download Gmail into my desktop client (Outlook Express), I only download once. I don't use IMAP because I like storing everything locally. I very often go through my archives and I'm stuck on my prehistoric folder structure in Outlook Express.

    You can't setup aliases in Outlook Express, Windows Mail, or Windows Mail Live. Fine, I've accepted that. But with WLM, if you create 4 different accounts, you get four different inboxes. Not cool. I don't need 4 different inboxes showing. I don't even want them to be in the left side. But it's impossible to get rid of them. All I need those extra 3 accounts for is the alias. The send as.

    Outlook Express/Windows Mail does not force this architecture on you. Thank God.
  2. No contacts pane on the bottom left side? Yeah, I miss that from Outlook Express and hope I can find a way to use that in Windows Mail. But WLM doesn't provide that option either.
  3. Top right on WLM: Sign into profile, sign into account, sign into Messenger, etc. This is how Hotmail is built into WLM. Useless for me. I don't need to be coerced into Hotmail. Sure, I could just ignore them but I can't get rid of it either. UI clutter is bad.
  4. UI is even less changable than Windows Mail, at least from my last usage. It's generally the same but not customizable enough like Outlook Express/Windows Mail. i.e. Hotmail button on top right. No thanks.
Sure, my biggest beef is the inboxes and how I can't get rid of them and the other issues are much, much smaller. But it's these little things that keep me wanting Outlook Express/Windows Mail. Thunderbird is so much closer to being perfect but so far away in so many ways as well. And I've tried lots of other desktop clients that I'm not impressed with. I don't need the clutter and bulkiness of Outlook either, too much for me.

Back to the WIM comment, so theoretically I could pop in my x64 Vista disk and do a search in the WIMs for these files?

I'm afraid that even finding these x64 files won't solve my problem! But I need to give anything a shot right now as I'm kinda getting desperate and lonely without a proper desktop client.
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10 Oct 2009   #6
Se7en Dude

Windows Vista
 
 
Mail In Windows Se7en

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by asuh View Post
Here's my main beefs about WLM.
  1. Separate accounts - I use Gmail where I import 4 different accounts into Gmail. When I download Gmail into my desktop client (Outlook Express), I only download once. I don't use IMAP because I like storing everything locally. I very often go through my archives and I'm stuck on my prehistoric folder structure in Outlook Express.

    You can't setup aliases in Outlook Express, Windows Mail, or Windows Mail Live. Fine, I've accepted that. But with WLM, if you create 4 different accounts, you get four different inboxes. Not cool. I don't need 4 different inboxes showing. I don't even want them to be in the left side. But it's impossible to get rid of them. All I need those extra 3 accounts for is the alias. The send as.

    Outlook Express/Windows Mail does not force this architecture on you. Thank God.
  2. No contacts pane on the bottom left side? Yeah, I miss that from Outlook Express and hope I can find a way to use that in Windows Mail. But WLM doesn't provide that option either.
  3. Top right on WLM: Sign into profile, sign into account, sign into Messenger, etc. This is how Hotmail is built into WLM. Useless for me. I don't need to be coerced into Hotmail. Sure, I could just ignore them but I can't get rid of it either. UI clutter is bad.
  4. UI is even less changable than Windows Mail, at least from my last usage. It's generally the same but not customizable enough like Outlook Express/Windows Mail. i.e. Hotmail button on top right. No thanks.
Sure, my biggest beef is the inboxes and how I can't get rid of them and the other issues are much, much smaller. But it's these little things that keep me wanting Outlook Express/Windows Mail. Thunderbird is so much closer to being perfect but so far away in so many ways as well. And I've tried lots of other desktop clients that I'm not impressed with. I don't need the clutter and bulkiness of Outlook either, too much for me.

Back to the WIM comment, so theoretically I could pop in my x64 Vista disk and do a search in the WIMs for these files?

I'm afraid that even finding these x64 files won't solve my problem! But I need to give anything a shot right now as I'm kinda getting desperate and lonely without a proper desktop client.
...
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10 Oct 2009   #7
myzr7

Windows 7 Ulti. x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by asuh View Post
I am coming from Outlook Express (yeah, yeah, all jokes aside) to Windows 7. I have previously tried Windows Live Mail and I don't like it or the way it handles things. I'd love to use Thunderbird but it doesn't run as stable as I'd like. So, I'm back to good 'ole Windows Mail. Then I find out it doesn't exist in Windows 7. Great!

I've been through all the threads--this one, this one, and this one--and I can't find anyone else with my problem, so I hope you can help me! I've already replaced my files several times, restored the Windows 7 files, etc. I've tried many things already!

Background, I'm running Windows 7 x64. Although no one has confirmed this, my suspicion about my problem is that I'm trying to run x86 Windows Mail files on a x64 machine.

When I try to run WinMail.exe from the Program Files x86 directory,it starts infinitely opens WinMail.exe *32 for at least 5 minutes. Then, after a climax of between 4000-6000 WinMail.exe *32 processes, it retreats and slowly starts shutting down all the processes.

I tried to quit the process tree but then a small window pops up and say that it's an invalid process to quit.

After a normal reboot (and after waiting for several minutes for my processes to go back down to normal and all the WinMail.exe processes to shut off), I tried it again and the same thing happens.

I also get the same exact reaction from the 64bit WinMail.exe file in the regular Windows Mail folder.

I right-clicked on one of the processes and it produced a dump file called WinMail.DMP that's 37MB big!!

This is nuts!

I found another copy of Windows 7, copied the Windows Mail directory and completely overwrote both x86 and x64 directories with these other files. So I now do not have any Windows Mail files from Vista. I still get the same problem with both directories trying to execute WinMail.exe. I'm baffled.

Maybe I just need to get ahold of original x64 Windows Mail directory files and folder?
Some have used this tutorial to restore Win MAIL in 7
Windows Mail
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11 Oct 2009   #8
asuh

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by myzr7 View Post
Some have used this tutorial to restore Win MAIL in 7
Windows Mail
Yes, I've seen that one too but what I'm missing are the x64 files from an x64 Vista! Where can I find those online!
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11 Oct 2009   #9
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by asuh View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by myzr7 View Post
Some have used this tutorial to restore Win MAIL in 7
Windows Mail
Yes, I've seen that one too but what I'm missing are the x64 files from an x64 Vista! Where can I find those online!

"Forum Rules" -- other than buying a copy of VISTA or getting it from / MSDN / Technet subscription, "non approved" sources can't be discussed on these boards.

I'd suggest in any case go for OUTLOOK in MS office - especially with the new starter edition of Office 2010. It does more or less what you want and has a nice calendar feature (which you can hide).

Also Outlook is compatable with most workplaces as well.

Outlook express settings and folders can be imported into Outlook - but peversly enough not Windows Mail so another reason to junk Windows mail.

And BTW you are not the only one to hate Live mail -- I did too - but having a Technet subscription I downloaded Office enterprise.

If you are at a college or work you might qualify for a free or very cheap (10 USD for the media) version of Office 2007 under the MS Use at Home licence. - Google on that as I can't remember the link.

Cheers
jimbo
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11 Oct 2009   #10
asuh

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Jimbo, I was mostly being hypothetical asking where to find those files.

While I've not tried Outlook 2010, I'm generally not a fan of bloated mail programs where I would only use 10% of the features. I've dabbled with Outlook 2000/2003/2007 over the years and I'm never impressed. In fact, I Outlook offers me no benefit to Windows Mail. I'm a normal business user who is not in school so I don't qualify for a discount.

But, back to the original problem here! I guess no one has a real solution to answer my problem.
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