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Windows 7: Why do people say IE is slow?

03 Dec 2009   #41
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Digerati View Post
I don't run benchmarks because they don't reflect real-world usage
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Ironically loading this page in Chrome brought it to a crawl, whereas I just loaded it in IE8 and it was as smooth as silk.
Yeah, but anything can cause that. Internet having a hiccup, the load on the site at the specific time, etc.


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04 Dec 2009   #42
veii

7 Ultimate 32Bit / Ubuntu 9.10 64Bit / 9.10 64Bit
 
 

Why? This has probably been said already in this thread, but to put it to bed:

Maybe they've used many browsers on many different platforms e.g. Firefox, Chrome ,Bon Echo, Opera, Konquerer, Seamonkey, Epiphany, Shiretoko, ON: BSD, Linux, Solaris, Mac OS, Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7, and have reached the conclusion all their own that Internet Explorer is the slowest, least standards compliant browser out there. And a nightmare to design for.

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04 Dec 2009   #43
xXSevenXx

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Since IE8 seems to work perfectly, and very quickly here, it makes you wonder where the problem actually was.
How does it make out here though?
Here are the results of my "Acid Test"
IE8 on the left Firefox to the right!


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04 Dec 2009   #44
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

As noted, the Acid 3 test results are widely published - of course by those who wish to tout the advantages of their favorites, or to disparage IE. But once again, benchmark tests, including the Acid 3 test, don't reflect real world usage. I have asked for those who keep referring back to the Acid 3 test to provide real world examples of sites not working with IE, but none have been presented. If it such the problem, why not? Examples should be aplenty.

If a Lamborghini can beat a Porsche to the finish line on a drag strip, does that make it a better car? If a Rolls Royce offers a smoother ride than a Lexus on the Autobahn, is the Rolls a better car? If a BMW corners better than Mercedes, is BMW a better car?

I have personally not found one site that I cannot view with IE - including my banks for Bill Pay, credit union, or my Government accounts for my retired Air Force and health insurance business - some of which did not allow access to FF last time I tried. And there have been several comments in this thread from some of you who report you "only use IE when FF does not work." Does not work? How does that make FF better? Perhaps the occasional site failing with FF is not problem for you, but for me, it would be a problem, and since I am very happy with IE's speed, FOR ME, IE is better.

I refer back to my link earlier to PCWorld's Browser Showdown test. It did not use "benchmarks" to compare. It used,
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...nine popular Web sites: Amazon, MySpace, Yahoo, PC World, YouTube, Microsoft, Apple, eBay, and Wikipedia.

We loaded each site ten times in each of the browsers and repeated the process the following day to rule out any network traffic or server issues. Prior to each test run, we cleared the browsers' caches as well. We also repeated the load tests to ensure that we had sufficient data to identify loading speed trends. To ensure consistent results, we performed testing on a fresh Windows Vista installation, and we reinstalled the operating system before each round of testing. Additionally, we removed the two best and two worst scores for each page load test to produce more consistent results.
These are about as "real world" as you can get. The conclusion,
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By and large, we found that Internet Explorer 8 performed well, and beat out Firefox 3.0.7 in the majority of our time trials.
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In practical, everyday use, you likely won't notice much of a difference between IE 8 and Firefox 3. Due to the fact that broadband connections are so commonplace today, and the fact that browsers in general can load pages faster than they could even a couple years ago, the page load time differences between the two are relatively moot.
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04 Dec 2009   #45
dave1812

Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Digerati View Post
As noted, the Acid 3 test results are widely published - of course by those who wish to tout the advantages of their favorites, or to disparage IE. But once again, benchmark tests, including the Acid 3 test, don't reflect real world usage. I have asked for those who keep referring back to the Acid 3 test to provide real world examples of sites not working with IE, but none have been presented. If it such the problem, why not? Examples should be aplenty.

If a Lamborghini can beat a Porsche to the finish line on a drag strip, does that make it a better car? If a Rolls Royce offers a smoother ride than a Lexus on the Autobahn, is the Rolls a better car? If a BMW corners better than Mercedes, is BMW a better car?

I have personally not found one site that I cannot view with IE - including my banks for Bill Pay, credit union, or my Government accounts for my retired Air Force and health insurance business - some of which did not allow access to FF last time I tried. And there have been several comments in this thread from some of you who report you "only use IE when FF does not work." Does not work? How does that make FF better? Perhaps the occasional site failing with FF is not problem for you, but for me, it would be a problem, and since I am very happy with IE's speed, FOR ME, IE is better.

I refer back to my link earlier to PCWorld's Browser Showdown test. It did not use "benchmarks" to compare. It used,
Quote:
...nine popular Web sites: Amazon, MySpace, Yahoo, PC World, YouTube, Microsoft, Apple, eBay, and Wikipedia.

We loaded each site ten times in each of the browsers and repeated the process the following day to rule out any network traffic or server issues. Prior to each test run, we cleared the browsers' caches as well. We also repeated the load tests to ensure that we had sufficient data to identify loading speed trends. To ensure consistent results, we performed testing on a fresh Windows Vista installation, and we reinstalled the operating system before each round of testing. Additionally, we removed the two best and two worst scores for each page load test to produce more consistent results.
These are about as "real world" as you can get. The conclusion,
Quote:
By and large, we found that Internet Explorer 8 performed well, and beat out Firefox 3.0.7 in the majority of our time trials.
BUT

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In practical, everyday use, you likely won't notice much of a difference between IE 8 and Firefox 3. Due to the fact that broadband connections are so commonplace today, and the fact that browsers in general can load pages faster than they could even a couple years ago, the page load time differences between the two are relatively moot.
Could you please provide a link or two to sites that won't work on FF? I do all my banking on line, and access no less than 6 financial institution sites, using FF. Not to mention I'm on line many hours a day, on countless sites and haven't encountered sites that don't function. I'm not disagreeing with you, but rather would like to see some examples. Thanks!
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04 Dec 2009   #46
xXSevenXx

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64- bit
 
 

Quote:
As noted, the Acid 3 test results are widely published - of course by those who wish to tout the advantages of their favorites, or to disparage IE. But once again, benchmark tests, including the Acid 3 test, don't reflect real world usage.
I didn't post the results to disparage IE, or to tout the advantages of my favourites.
The fact is that IE8 faired poorly versus FFox.

BTW IE8 also had to D/L an 'add in' to view that site.
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04 Dec 2009   #47
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dave1812 View Post
Could you please provide a link or two to sites that won't work on FF? I do all my banking on line, and access no less than 6 financial institution sites, using FF. Not to mention I'm on line many hours a day, on countless sites and haven't encountered sites that don't function. I'm not disagreeing with, but rather would like to see some examples. Thanks!
How about you too since (1) I suggested the same thing with IE days ago in post #19 in response to Qdos reporting in #18,
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some sites iE7 and iE8 hang badly
And (2) where I asked specifically again for examples in post #23 - and (3) in light of your own post #7 where you agreed FF has some issues, if rare,
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To each his own--I DETEST using IE and only use it in the very rare instance when it's required.
I don't have any alternative browser loaded and have no desire to download one now and start hunting for sites that don't work. I said, "last time I tried". I should have clarified that with "a couple years ago" and I apologize for not doing so. But at that time, there were plenty, as evidenced by the several websites that were dedicated to listing sites that don't work with FF - they are still around, although I have no doubt they are in need of updating - here's a couple:

ListAfterList.com - Websites that Don't Work in Firefox
Gripes about Web Sites That Don't Work Well With Firefox

And of course, why would there be IETab if not needed?
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That said, there are still some on-line security scanners that report to accept IE only - I say "report" because I don't have any alternative to test with, but I have no reason to doubt the sites own published system requirements:

BitDefender Online Scanner - Click on FAQ
Symantec Online Scanner - Click on the two Learn More links
WindowsSecurity Online Trojan Scanner

Let me repeat something I said earlier in post # 4 and in post # 12
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Digerati
FF is an excellent browser.
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The bottom line, however, is EVERY web page should be browser independent.
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04 Dec 2009   #48
dave1812

Win7
 
 

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I tried 8 sites, randomly, from that link...they all worked fine.

Since IE 5 was mentioned, I'll assume the info on that link is ancient.
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06 Dec 2009   #49
pezzonovante

Windows 7 RTM x86
 
 

IE8 has the best UI of all browsers. Plus it has protected mode which makes it the safest. Just install Simple Adblock and you are ready to go. So IE8 ftw.
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06 Dec 2009   #50
dave1812

Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pezzonovante View Post
IE8 has the best UI of all browsers. Plus it has protected mode which makes it the safest. Just install Simple Adblock and you are ready to go. So IE8 ftw.
IMO, ALL versions of IE suck. I HAD to say that since you phrased your post like it's gospel.
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