windows 7 warning for outlook express users

Windows live mail IS outlook express with a redone mail folder UI. All the settings, rules, features and everything else of OE are in Live Mail.

True, some people don't like that all accounts now have seperate folders. But there is the all folders folder which is darn close to the way it was before.

I've been using computers since my TI99-4/a, and I have to say Windows 7 is my favorite OS to date. I also have an iMac G5 btw, and am very familiar with Macs since I have always had at least one since my Apple iiGS. I am a UNIX admin by trade certified in Solaris and Red Hat Linux, so I'm in no way a Microsoft fanboy, I just happen to think W7 is excellent. Windows 7 doesn't come with an email client. I chose to install Live Mail, and I love the entire live suite. It does everything I need and is fast, and I was able to import all my old OE mail off my XP machine. Usually I find rants like this have more to do with needing to learn the new products. My users hate change, anytime something new comes in they resist and hate it, then they slowly come around as they learn to use it and see the benefits and new capabilities.

CarlTR6 said:

And Outlook does not come with Win 7; I think you are just grinding an axe against MS.

craig1000 said:

Yes - Windows 7 comes with Windows Live, but it has many failings compared to Outlook Express.

Nor does Windows Live Mail with my install

Ex_Brit said:

or with a lot of jiggery-pokery you can get Vista Windows Mail, which is the successor to OE, working in Windows 7.
See this tutorial: Windows Mail

I prefer "Windows Mail" (instead of "Windows Live Mail") which is nearly complete included in Windows 7 (see folder C:\Programs\Windows Mail).

Ex_Brit said:

with a lot of jiggery-pokery you can get Vista Windows Mail

You only need to substitute the file msoe.dll in folder "C:\Programs\Windows Mail" with a version of Vista (same version - 32 bit or 64 bit) to get it working.

The only bad is that junk mail filter isn't working in "Windows Mail". And you also can not install junk mail updates manually. Of course you can download junk mail updates manually - but can't install in Windows 7 ("wrong operating system").

someone asked about more steps in Outlook compared to OE. I can go on with many, but here is a simple one: HIDE READ MESSAGES: In Outlook, it's View, Arrange By, Current View, then choose and click one. In OE, its View and then choose and click. This is so typical of Outlook. Many, many steps. It's slower to move around. Too many options.

Here's a step you can't do in Outlook but can in OE: SAVE ALL - you can save all the attachments in one folder. Right click on one of the attachments and navigate to where to save. If you did it before and want to save in the same place, which I do continuously, it's right click and save and you are done. If you want to do it in Outlook, it's, right click, select all, navigate in your computer to where and paste. And they call this better?

Me, a loyal MS fan for years, since 88, watched the software improve every year until Vista. It's a new trend now. And then look at the My Pictures window in Win 7. It's the ugliest layout with these partially open folders that you can't see anything. Jagged edges, hard to look at. Who's the designer who thought that up? No sense of what is easy on the eyes? How about pleasing to the eye which is simple and clear. Hire a designer. Get rid of fancy. I've gone through every system since DOS and saw improvements. I bought a Vista at one point and was so dissappointed, I returned the first computer I have ever returned and bought a new one with XP. MS did what I saw early on and got rid of it.

Simplicity is going by the wayside. I am, yes greatly dissappointed in MS. They are failing us. How about improving on the past instead of junking the old and coming up with a whole new system that is often missing the good of the old?

Am I on campaign? Absolutely. MS is losing it in their quest to sell the latest software and more computers. You want to sell more computers? Make it easy to transfer all your programs and data from one computer to a new one with a simple transfer - without having to reload everything all over. That's what keeps me from buying a new computer more than anything else. Let them solve that.

craig1000 said:

Here's a step you can't do in Outlook but can in OE: SAVE ALL - you can save all the attachments in one folder. Right click on one of the attachments and navigate to where to save. If you did it before and want to save in the same place, which I do continuously, it's right click and save and you are done. If you want to do it in Outlook, it's, right click, select all, navigate in your computer to where and paste.

Presumably you mean that this is a step you can do in both Outlook Express and Outlook, because you say yourself how to do it in Outlook. Since Outlook does remember your last save location, the number of operations required to achieve your goal is the same in both programs.

You seem angry about Outlook but pretty much everything you have said about it is incorrect...

Yeah the OP is confusing his own issue by contantly comparing Outlook and OE. They have ALWAYS been different. In some areas, vastly. Why compare them now? What does this have to do with Windows 7?

NOTHING!

Compare OE to Windows Mail available in the live suite. I've had no problem adjusting to the minor UI changes, all the other functionality is the same. They changes are no more drastic than the switch to 7 itself.