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Windows 7: x58A-UD3R - included: Dump & System files

14 Oct 2010   #31
spyknee

W7 Ulti/64, XP Pro/32
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hello people View Post
Yeah that was during idle. The temps got bad after I tweaked the bios setting as per this:

This is what the bios was like before I tweaked it:

Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [21x]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech .................. [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ............................ [All]
CPU Multi Threading .......................... [Enabled] disabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support .................... [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ............................ [Enabled] disabled
Virtualization Technology ................... [n/a no entry for this] << Disabled if you do not use Vmware or Virtual PC Programs
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ..................... [Enabled]


Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8Ghz
Uncore Frequency .......................... (2667mhz)
Isonchronous Frequency ..................[n/a no entry for this]


Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled] enabled
BCLK Frequency (MHz) .....................133mhz
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........... [Auto] 100

C.I.A.2 [n/a no entry for this]

Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ..............................[700mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]


Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance ...................... [Turbo] standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ......... [n/a no entry for this]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO]
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Auto]

Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ......................
tRCD .......................................
tRP .........................................
tRAS .......................................

Below values may be left in Auto if you like, generally this is fine. For those users who DO Set advanced timings manually, please see some of my thoughts and findings about these settings and rules here
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##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................ (Should be = tRAS + tRP or above for stability)
tRRD .......................................
tWTR ...................................... (Must be Write to Read Delay/Same Rank - (tWL + 4)
tWR ........................................
tWTP ....................................... (tWTP Must = tWR + tWL + 4)
tWL ........................................ (tWL Must be CAS Latency -1)
tRFC .......................................
tRTP .......................................
tFAW ......................................
Command Rate (CMD) ................

I gues config for this was:
7 7 7 20 4 19 60 1

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
Round Trip Latency ...................47

B2B CAS Delay ..........................- (Auto)


Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ................. [Auto]
CPU Vcore ...............................1.25000V (Auto) manual
QPI/VTT Voltage 1.175v
CPU PLL 1.800v .......................(Auto)

MCH/ICH
PCIE 1.500v ...........................
QPI PLL 1.100v .......................
IOH Core 1.100v .....................
ICH I/O 1.500v .......................
ICH Core 1.1v ........................

DRAM
DRAM Voltage 1.500v (Auto)..............
DRAM Termination 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v [AUTO]


And this is after I tweaked bios:

CPU Clock Drive ..............................[700mV]set to 800mv
CPU Vcore ...............................1.25000V (Auto)-set to normal in voltage list for stock cpu clocks
QPI/VTT Voltage 1.175v-set to around 1.25000-1.30000v
DRAM Voltage 1.500v (Auto)set according to ram,either 1.5v or 1.66v
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [AUTO] set to give you rated ram speed 1600mhz ect either 8x or 10x ect

DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Auto]set manual and type in ram timings below(select quick to set timings for all ram installed)



Channel A + B + C



Channel A Timing Settings:

##Channel A Standard Timing Control##

CAS Latency Time ......................9

tRCD .......................................9

tRP .........................................9

tRAS .......................................24

CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ................... [Enabled]disable this and use balanced profile setting in windows7
Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options

Anything suspicious...because the heat of the cpu only got hotter after I changed the bios settings


Have reseated cooler and cleaned thermal paste and reapplied...temps range from 34-39%. Distance to tj max.....mid 60's

EDIT: I have flashed to FC2 now...should I zip crash logs again now?

I was going to run the memtest over night....and see what happens in the morning/ tomorrow with cold boots...

Task manager shows some little cpu spikes....like 0-7/8%......which I never noticed before...perhaps some slight bios tweaking needed?
Some of my bios settings.


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14 Oct 2010   #32
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hello people View Post
But with what values in bios?

Look at this info....my cpu doesn't even support 1600 ram
Sorry but this is not true!

I have a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 running an i7-930 and the CPU DOES support 1600 RAM. See my system specs.

Anyways I'm running at 3.52GHZ, 1600MHz RAM @1.64v, 8-8-8-20.

Bottom line.... you can run at 1600MHZ with your RAM & CPU combo.

Now.... If the RAM isn't designed to run at 1600MHz, and you tried running it at that speed, then that would be a problem!!!

Anyways a good place to get info on that board is here.... GIGABYTE. That's where I get all my info for BIOS tweaks and such.

And.... just so you know... FB is the latest official non-beta BIOS released by Gigabyte for your board.... GA-X58A-UD3R (rev. 2.0) - GIGABYTE. Anything else is beta! Even the one Gigabyte sent you.

As for your issues, since the system is relatively new, replace the RAM and go from there.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Those Idle temps are very high, they should be around 30C.
That's basically a relative statement. Relative to what is the real question? Variables affecting temps...

Case/Case Design
CPU Cooler
Fans
Ambient temps
Room Temps
Hardware
Thermo paste
Voltage

Just to name a few.

I personally don't feel those temps are too high, but than again I don't know the variables I listed.

My two cents
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14 Oct 2010   #33
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Agree with some of what you said, if the CPU is running at 2.8 GHz to 3.52 GHz or more all the time, then the temps will be higher, of coarse.

Not using EIST, I would have to say my preference is to use it unless you are extreme OC'ing your system, say 4.0 GHz or above. Only for stability issues.

My 2 cents, why run your CPU and system at max settings for checking email and browsing forums, kinda like running your car engine at redline RPM to go get some milk.
If this is what the system owner wants to do, then that is perfectly fine with me. I wouldn't recommend it and for me, I don't do it.

For example now my system is running at 1.44 GHz, multiplier is x9.0, temps are 28 - 30C.
When using graphics programs or Visio, it can go up to 3.84 GHz, multiplier x23, for two cores or less, 3.6 GHz for four cores, x21, temps max at about 57C.
It runs cool and easy until the power is needed, then it kicks into high power and will do what is required quickly.

It depends on what the system owner wants to do.

Many RAM, Motherboard and OC forums are starting to support EIST, or stepping, as a good way to run your system.


Back on topic, the OP is overclocking and seems to be changing the settings depending on what is seen on other forums.
This is not the recommended way to OC, as you will possibly get errors and blue screens.
There are many guides that explain the steps required to get a safe, stable OC.

In my opinion hello people should set his BIOS to default, sort out the BSOD issues, then try the OC'ing again.
I would recommend the slow approach with lots of testing, this will get a stable OC.
Each CPU runs and OCs differently (each i7 930 CPU OCs differently), throw in different MOBOs and different RAM and you have entered many variables. This is why the guides on OC forums recommend to go through the steps from the beginning instead of coping someone's OC settings. Your may get lucky, but one BSOD proves you weren't.

Changing RAM and CPU setting between posts just adds more variables to the equation and makes it more difficult to troubleshoot the issues.
You should start from the beginning with each new BIOS change.
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14 Oct 2010   #34
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Agree with some of what you said, if the CPU is running at 2.8 GHz to 3.52 GHz or more all the time, then the temps will be higher, of coarse.

Not using EIST, I would have to say my preference is to use it unless you are extreme OC'ing your system, say 4.0 GHz or above. Only for stability issues.

My 2 cents, why run your CPU and system at max settings for checking email and browsing forums, kinda like running your car engine at redline RPM to go get some milk.
Agree

Even though my system is overclocked, I do use EIST as well as Windows Power Management. So my system doesn't run full speed all the time

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(temps will stablize at 72ish)


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Back on topic, the OP is overclocking and seems to be changing the settings depending on what is seen on other forums.
This is not the recommended way to OC, as you will possibly get errors and blue screens.
There are many guides that explain the steps required to get a safe, stable OC.

In my opinion hello people should set his BIOS to default, sort out the BSOD issues, then try the OC'ing again.
I would recommend the slow approach with lots of testing, this will get a stable OC.
Each CPU runs and OCs differently (each i7 930 CPU OCs differently), throw in different MOBOs and different RAM and you have entered many variables. This is why the guides on OC forums recommend to go through the steps from the beginning instead of coping someone's OC settings. Your may get lucky, but one BSOD proves you weren't.

Changing RAM and CPU setting between posts just adds more variables to the equation and makes it more difficult to troubleshoot the issues.
You should start from the beginning with each new BIOS change.
Completely agree here.

I would also add that you should stick with the latest "official" BIOS, as the beta can induce unknown issues that have yet to be discovered. Thats why its beta!!!

As Dave has said, set the default values, run the system for a couple of days to see if the system is stable. After that, you can try small steps in overclocking to check stability, then progress from there.

Hope this helps.
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14 Oct 2010   #35
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

I see, we completely agree

Your right about the BIOS, only time I would try a beta BIOS is when issues persist, then you still have to decide if it's helping or not, and you may need to return to a stable BIOS version. This would be assuming the mobo company is trying to solve the issues and giving the beta BIOS as a ready to use version, still risky.

+1 Good advice.
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14 Oct 2010   #36
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

+1 to you as well. I tried to rep, but...

Anyways if you go the this forum - GIGABYTE, you'd find it there anyway. There are tons of beta BIOS' posted all the time. I believe one of the posters has conections with Gigabyte.

I still say the OP should really spend his time there as they have some really good people who know these gigabyte boards. Especially Lsdmeasap.

Outside of the overclocking issue I think the OP has memory issues, but it's hard to tell with all the jumping around.

Thanks.
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15 Oct 2010   #37
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Ok thanks very much. Yeah I'm guilty of trying all kinds of values in bios as suggested in several forums...in a dumb effort to solve the problem now!

I'm going to go back to FB bios...the last official bios...set to default and try the adjustements to get the ram to run at 1600.

In no way do I want to OC the machine....I just want the ram to run at spec.

I aim to use the PC as a recording studio...using Cakewalk Sonar...recording audio, mixing audio...that kind of thing

thanks again....I'm off to go back to defaults

When you flash bios that makes all values default doesn't it?

Here are some cpuz screens of my PC using FB bios (last known official) freshly flash, no tweaks:



Now to try to get ram up to spec....I should.....?
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15 Oct 2010   #38
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Do you have XMP enabled in your BIOS?

Is your CPUZ SPD tab the same as it was on your first post?

If no the the above, then run memtest86+ at your current settings and let us know the results.
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15 Oct 2010   #39
hello people

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

XMP is not supported by my ram modules.

No the cpuz spd is different.

Before I revert and do that...I have tweaked bios from defaults doing this:

from default bios settings....to get my ram to run at spec (1600) I changed to these settings in bios:

memory multi - x12
uncore - x25
ram voltage - 1.66
timings 9 9 9 24/ command rate 1
qpi/ vtt - 1.315v

This is my cpuz:



The ram looks like it is running at the right speed now...but the 'Clocks core speed' is 1598.9mhz......shouldn't it be running at 2.8ghz/ 2800mhz?
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15 Oct 2010   #40
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Your overclocking, again.

You should set you BIOS at defaults, test for stability. Run memtest86+, if it passes then run Prime95 blend test.

Worry about RAM frequency later, first get your system stable. If it's not stable at default settings, then you know you have a problem with your RAM.
Once you OC you don't know what the cause of your instability is from.
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