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Windows 7: Random bsods, tried almost everything!

30 Dec 2010   #11
Duvelduvel

Windows 7 64
 
 

Quote:
[Dec 30 20:52] Worker starting
[Dec 30 20:52] Setting affinity to run worker on logical CPU #4
[Dec 30 20:52] Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
[Dec 30 20:52] Please read stress.txt. Choose Test/Stop to end this test.
[Dec 30 20:52] Test 1, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9961473 using Pentium4 type-2 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 20:54] Test 2, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9961471 using Pentium4 type-3 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 20:56] Test 3, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9837183 using Pentium4 type-2 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 20:58] Test 4, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9737185 using Pentium4 type-3 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 21:00] Test 5, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9537183 using Pentium4 type-2 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 21:02] Test 6, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9437185 using Pentium4 type-3 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 21:04] Test 7, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9437183 using Pentium4 type-2 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 21:07] Test 8, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9337185 using Pentium4 type-3 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 30 21:09] Self-test 512K passed!
[Dec 30 21:09] Test 1, 800000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M172031 using Core2 type-1 FFT length 8K, Pass1=32, Pass2=256.
[Dec 30 21:11] FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
[Dec 30 21:11] Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
[Dec 30 21:11] Torture Test completed 8 tests in 18 minutes - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
[Dec 30 21:11] Worker stopped.
Thats what i got, with the blend test.

Its named "worker 5 btw", it is the only on logical CPU 4 that means core 4? (and it dind't bsod on me)

But still stress.txt doesn't give me any help in which way the errors give me info what it actually is.
I guess it is the CPU, not the memory.

I did a small FFT run for 2.5 hours no error, ill try to run blend again and see what happens.

Do u think my i7 is broken?

Thanks again for your fast imput carl!

(And as far as i know my voltages are right.)

"EDIT"

I do see it is one of my HT cores bugging? core 5 and cpu 4 is actually HT. im testing it without HT now.


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30 Dec 2010   #12
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Good job. We know you have a hardware problem. After you get all of your tests done, I will get one of the hardware Gurus to look at this thread. I am definitely not a hardware expert and I do not want to tell you anything that is incorrect.
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31 Dec 2010   #13
Duvelduvel

Windows 7 64
 
 

Hello Carl,

Thanks for your help so far, can't imagine what i would do without you! hehe that sounds odd

Anyway ive ran the tests, i cant run them for 3hours (well 1worker quits mostly)

Ive uploaded like 6/7 error's in my attachment.

Hope someone can figure out which is bugging me, memory or cpu. (or motherboard?)

Thanks in advance again and have a nice new years evening, also best wishes!
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01 Jan 2011   #14
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

I asked for a hardware Guru to take a look at your test test results.
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01 Jan 2011   #15
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Hi Duvelduvel, sorry to hear your having crashes.

You mentioned you had a stable OC, what were the settings, GHz, voltage etc.?

Is it correct that you are set back to defaults now?

Memtest86+ won't always find RAM errors, the next test is Prime95, looks like it found something it didn't like.

When you ran Prime95 did you tic the 'Round off checking' box?
Prime95 > Advanced > Round off checking
If not, tic it and run Prime95 'torture test > Blend' again, be sure to select the max # of threads to turn on. If hyperthreading is off it's 4, if it's on then 8.

Let's confirm the temps and settings from your AsusTek Computer Info snip.

What are your CPU core temps, at idle and at full load (during Prime95)?

Can you download CPUZ and post a snip of the CPU, Mainboard, Memory, and SPD tabs. At idle, and another CPU tab at full load.

Use Real Temp, and check the CPU temps when at idle, under load and/or testing.
Let us know the minimum and maximum temps you get.


Go to your BIOS and tell us what the RAM and integrated memory controller (QPI/VTT) voltages are.
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01 Jan 2011   #16
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Thank you, Dave.

Duvel, you are in very good hands. Dave knows his stuff.
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01 Jan 2011   #17
Duvelduvel

Windows 7 64
 
 

Thanks Carl for getting Dave to help me!

I did upload a .txt file in my last post (also has a screenshot) and in that .txt files there are like 8 runs of Prime95+ with blend/large FTT's

It has only ran one time for 6hours with no errors, rest is mostly just giving a error.

Like:

Quote:
[Dec 31 02:23] Test 1, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9961473 using Pentium4 type-2 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Dec 31 02:24] ERROR: ILLEGAL SUMOUT
[Dec 31 02:24] Possible hardware failure, consult readme.txt file, restarting test.

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[Dec 31 13:45] Test 6, 27000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M2949119 using Pentium4 type-3 FFT length 160K, Pass1=640, Pass2=256.
[Dec 31 13:47] FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
[Dec 31 13:47] Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
[Dec 31 13:47] Torture Test completed 29 tests in 59 minutes - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
[Dec 31 13:47] Worker stopped.
My OC was stable at 4GHz, Vcore 1.23 around that, i still have a screenshot online which i made back then.
http://www.abload.de/img/naamlooscshr.png

I do see on that screenshot that my QPI is actually higher atm then it was OC'ed. I might find that strange.

I also did check on the 'Round off checking' for all the runs i did and also tried with IMPUT CHECKING on or something *was also availible*

I have my vcore on auto now, it will automaticly change it when its needed. Also tried it on 1.10 so that should not be the problem i think when its on 2.6 GHz (when ive ran it on 4.0 with 1.23)

The only thing ive not set correct is my timings yet, but ive set the Dram voltage to 1.65 like it should be.

The core temps don't get above 70degrees when its under 100% load, unless its very hot in my room :P

So anyway to round it abit up (is this correct?:P)

I can't make any sense of the ERRORS prime95 is giving me, most of googling attempts i do get much posts of voltage ect.

I guess i will try to set my timings right, btw ive also looked up the CVL for memory if it actually is compatible with my motherboard but it was on the list.

Here i will upload another screenshot of idle(my system actually puts core speed on 1600 at idle) and load, but the other error text msg'es you can find in my previous post.

Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance again, and your time.
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01 Jan 2011   #18
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

The QPI is strangely high, is it on Auto?

Try setting your RAM down to JEDEC#4 settings and voltages, your CPU is at stock so let's set everything at stock so we can see if something will show faults.
Also set the command rate to 2T.

After you back off the RAM settings, start dropping your QPI by 0.02 - 0.05v at a time, don't need to go below 1.2v, check for stability.
Prime95 torture test - blend would be the best to use since it will show faults faster and it is giving indications now.

If it gets worse I would suspect the integrated memory controller, I hope it's not the problem but let's get that out of the way first.

Did it seem any better or worse with only one RAM card installed?
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01 Jan 2011   #19
Duvelduvel

Windows 7 64
 
 

Hello Dave!

By JEDEC#4 settings you mean timings? I did that now but only the first 8-8-8-24.. there are loads more but don't know if i should change them.

And yes the QPI was on automatic :/ quite strange indeed why it puts it that high.

But I changed my QPI to 1.23 and again the 5th worker stopped quite instantly after running prime95.

[Jan 1 18:23] Worker starting
[Jan 1 18:23] Setting affinity to run worker on logical CPU #4
[Jan 1 18:23] Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
[Jan 1 18:23] Please read stress.txt. Choose Test/Stop to end this test.
[Jan 1 18:23] Test 1, 7800 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M9961473 using Pentium4 type-2 FFT length 512K, Pass1=256, Pass2=2K.
[Jan 1 18:25] ERROR: ILLEGAL SUMOUT
[Jan 1 18:25] Possible hardware failure, consult readme.txt file, restarting test.

The other thing now is driving me crazy, on HW Monitor PRO i don't see vin6 voltage anymore and vin5 voltage was on load 2.2v and now my hwmonitor shows 1.30 like they are mixed up. (might be because of cpu-z install?)

Im gonna do defaults again.
And i tried running with 1stick indeed, but it crashed on me, then i thought ill try another one but also that one crashed so i thought.. well it aint the memory then.
But i should have tried the 3rd and i dind't.
It can also be the motherboard then i guess.

Any other test for me which i can try? LinX perhaps? or something else.

--

Ive got new information, when i did defaults in my bios and set X.M.P for memory ect and cpu normal, could not get into windows (ive had a screen that ive never seen before while crashing just a few mins, whole screen was full of dots and really strangly moving around)

Now after that i tried setting mhz ddr to 800mhz and that also caused instant bsods, now i also tried putting up the voltage for the memory but that also dind't do it.
Tried auto voltages on everything but also could not boot into windows, strange crashes sometimes even not bsods.

Now im in windows again after disabling some cpu settings, like c1e, TM and other stuff.
So it seems my cpu has something to do with it, i guess i have to put everything on back 1by1 to see if its actually something caused by my cpu.
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02 Jan 2011   #20
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Sorry to hear that news, doesn't sound good.

In answer to your questions.

JEDEC#4 is the RAM timings and voltages. Just change the first four numbers and the 'Command Rate', leave the rest on auto.

If the QPI in on Auto, then the CPU is adjusting it to try and get stability.

Quote:
But I changed my QPI to 1.23 and again the 5th worker stopped quite instantly after running prime95.
That is why I asked you to bring it down slowly, testing for stability as you go, set it back to where is was and see if you can get Prime95 to run.

Quote:
The other thing now is driving me crazy, on HW Monitor PRO i don't see vin6 voltage anymore and vin5 voltage was on load 2.2v and now my hwmonitor shows 1.30 like they are mixed up. (might be because of cpu-z install?)
This and the info you posted after this, tells me your CPU is suspect.

Quote:
Im gonna do defaults again.
And i tried running with 1stick indeed, but it crashed on me, then i thought ill try another one but also that one crashed so i thought.. well it aint the memory then.
But i should have tried the 3rd and i dind't.
It can also be the motherboard then i guess.
Are you trying the RAM cards in different slots each time?
Follow the testing procedure in the tutorial RAM - Test with Memtest86+, this will tell us if the motherboard slots and/or the RAM may be causing the errors.
EDIT: If you get errors during memtest86+ you can stop the test and proceed to the next memtest86+ test.
It is a long process but, will help narrow down the possible causes.

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Any other test for me which i can try? LinX perhaps? or something else.
No need to try other tests unless the tests pass and you still have BSoDs. Prime95 is failing, you have a problem.

Quote:
Ive got new information, when i did defaults in my bios and set X.M.P for memory ect and cpu normal, could not get into windows (ive had a screen that ive never seen before while crashing just a few mins, whole screen was full of dots and really strangly moving around)

Now after that i tried setting mhz ddr to 800mhz and that also caused instant bsods, now i also tried putting up the voltage for the memory but that also dind't do it.
Tried auto voltages on everything but also could not boot into windows, strange crashes sometimes even not bsods.

Now im in windows again after disabling some cpu settings, like c1e, TM and other stuff.
So it seems my cpu has something to do with it, i guess i have to put everything on back 1by1 to see if its actually something caused by my cpu.
When you re-set to defaults you shouldn't set your RAM to XMP, that is overclocking your RAM and CPU.
Change the RAM settings to JEDEC#4 and 'Command Rate' to 2T.
If this leaves your Bus Speed at 160 then, re-set to defaults, do not enable XMP, your RAM should be at 666 MHz. Check that it is at JEDEC #4 settings and the DRAM voltage should be at 1.5v, change the 'Command Rate' to 2T.
With everything at defaults you have a better chance of doing some testing to find out the cause of the crashes.

You can go back to OC'ing after you find the cause of the crashes.

You need to back everything off, try to get it running stable or as stable as possible. This will give a base to trouble shoot from.


What PSU do you have?
Can you test your system with another PSU?

First, run the full troubleshooting steps with memtest86+.
This will rule out or indicate if the RAM and/or motherboard RAM slots are causing problems.

If the RAM/MOBO are not found faulty, we can try adjusting some settings to see if it will run stable.

Test your GPU with FurMark.


Ideally, the CPU and RAM should be tested in a known functioning system, one at a time.
If you want to find out the problem quicker, you might want to consider finding a shop that can test your CPU and RAM in another system.
Or we can start the troubleshooting process.

Keep posting the results here, tell us everything that you are doing.
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