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Windows 7: BSOD's/Restarts have me stumped

01 Feb 2011   #41
rtc0523

Win 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

I have speedfan running and it says my voltage on the 12v is 11.9. Is this a bad thing or is it normal?


My System SpecsSystem Spec
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02 Feb 2011   #42
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

A tenth of a volt may simply be the plus or minus error of SpeedFan. Try CPUZ to verify the voltage reading.

I looked at your last six dumps.
Quote:
Bugcheck 1E, KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED. Usual causes: Device driver, hardware, System service, compatibility, Remote control programs, memory, BIOS.

Bugcheck A (2X), IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Usual causes: Kernel mode driver, System Service, BIOS, Windows, Virus scanner, Backup tool, compatibility.

Bugcheck 109, CRITICAL_STRUCTURE_CORRUPTION. Usual causes: Device driver, Breakpoint set with no debugger attached, Hardware (Memory in particular).

Bugcheck 101 (2X), CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT. Usual causes: Device driver, BIOS bug, hardware defect.
1. While you are troubleshooting, I suggest that you uninstall SuperAntiSpyware just in case it is causing interference and conflict.

2. Two instances of bugcheck 101 are pretty significant. Read these to articles on this bugcheck:

https://www.sevenforums.com/crash-loc...tml#post567135

https://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...tml#post356791

3. Go to your motherboard's website and check your version of your BIOS. See if there are any problems you are having that are solved by a a later version. I do not often recommend flashing the BIOS because there is a risk involved. If there is problem addressed by a BIOS that applies to your computer, consider flashing your BIOS to the latest version. If you choose to do this, flash you BIOS outside of Windows.

4. Run Prime 95 again to test your CPU and your ram. Carefully the instructions in this tutorial:
https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...t-prime95.html. Run 3 separate tests, one on each of the settings (Blend, Small FFTs, Large FFTs). Post back with your results.


Code:
Windows 7 Kernel Version 7600 MP (4 procs) Free x64
Product: WinNt, suite: TerminalServer SingleUserTS
Built by: 7600.16617.amd64fre.win7_gdr.100618-1621
Machine Name:
Kernel base = 0xfffff800`0280c000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0xfffff800`02a49e50
Debug session time: Mon Jan 31 20:39:46.190 2011 (GMT-5)
System Uptime: 0 days 0:13:33.000
Loading Kernel Symbols
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Loading User Symbols
Loading unloaded module list
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*                        Bugcheck Analysis                                    *
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Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

BugCheck 1E, {ffffffffc0000096, fffff80002867710, 0, 0}

Probably caused by : memory_corruption

Followup: memory_corruption
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3: kd> !analyze -v
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KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED (1e)
This is a very common bugcheck.  Usually the exception address pinpoints
the driver/function that caused the problem.  Always note this address
as well as the link date of the driver/image that contains this address.
Arguments:
Arg1: ffffffffc0000096, The exception code that was not handled
Arg2: fffff80002867710, The address that the exception occurred at
Arg3: 0000000000000000, Parameter 0 of the exception
Arg4: 0000000000000000, Parameter 1 of the exception

Debugging Details:
------------------


EXCEPTION_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000096 - {EXCEPTION}  Privileged instruction.

FAULTING_IP: 
nt!MiDereferenceControlAreaBySection+30
fffff800`02867710 440f22c0        mov     cr8,rax

EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1:  0000000000000000

EXCEPTION_PARAMETER2:  0000000000000000

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT:  1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  CODE_CORRUPTION

BUGCHECK_STR:  0x1E

PROCESS_NAME:  System

CURRENT_IRQL:  0

EXCEPTION_RECORD:  fffff880054677e8 -- (.exr 0xfffff880054677e8)
ExceptionAddress: fffff80002867710 (nt!MiDereferenceControlAreaBySection+0x0000000000000030)
   ExceptionCode: c0000096
  ExceptionFlags: 00000000
NumberParameters: 0

TRAP_FRAME:  fffff88005467890 -- (.trap 0xfffff88005467890)
NOTE: The trap frame does not contain all registers.
Some register values may be zeroed or incorrect.
rax=000000000000fe13 rbx=0000000000000000 rcx=fffffa8002a0d8e0
rdx=0000000000000000 rsi=0000000000000000 rdi=0000000000000000
rip=fffff80002867710 rsp=fffff88005467a28 rbp=0000000000000002
 r8=fffffa80029ba6c0  r9=fffff880054678c8 r10=fffffa80024d43c0
r11=fffff88005467ab0 r12=0000000000000000 r13=0000000000000000
r14=0000000000000000 r15=0000000000000000
iopl=0         nv up di ng nz na po nc
nt!MiDereferenceControlAreaBySection+0x30:
fffff800`02867710 440f22c0        mov     cr8,rax
Resetting default scope

LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER:  from fffff800028b6a39 to fffff8000287c740

STACK_TEXT:  
fffff880`05467018 fffff800`028b6a39 : 00000000`0000001e ffffffff`c0000096 fffff800`02867710 00000000`00000000 : nt!KeBugCheckEx
fffff880`05467020 fffff800`0287bd82 : fffff880`054677e8 fffffa80`02a0d8e0 fffff880`05467890 fffffa80`024cca30 : nt!KiDispatchException+0x1b9
fffff880`054676b0 fffff800`0287a68a : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiExceptionDispatch+0xc2
fffff880`05467890 fffff800`02867710 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiGeneralProtectionFault+0x10a
fffff880`05467a28 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000002 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!MiDereferenceControlAreaBySection+0x30


STACK_COMMAND:  kb

CHKIMG_EXTENSION: !chkimg -lo 50 -db !nt
31 errors : !nt (fffff800028676cc-fffff800028677bd)
fffff800028676c0  33  c0  4c  33  c8  4c  33  d0  4c  33  d8  33 *04 *00  be  ff 3.L3.L3.L3.3....
fffff800028676d0  ff  ff  90  48  83  c4  28  c3  90  90  90  90 *00 *00  90  90 ...H..(.........
fffff800028676e0  48  89  5c  24  10  48  89  6c  24  18  48  89 *c8 *4c  20  57 H.\$.H.l$.H..L W
fffff800028676f0  41  54  41  55  41  56  41  57  48  83  ec  30 *90 *90  fa  48 ATAUAVAWH..0...H
fffff80002867700  8b  d9  44  0f  20  c0  48  89  44  24  60  b8 *13 *fe  00  00 ..D. .H.D$`.....
fffff80002867710  44  0f  22  c0  65  48  8b  34  25  20  00  00  00 *4b  8b  25 D.".eH.4% ...K.%
fffff80002867720  20  3f  1a  00  33  ff  41  c1  ec  10  41  80 *49 *8b  0f  85  ?..3.A...A.I...
fffff80002867730  31  3b  09  00  45  33  ed  45  33  f6  ff  86 *b8 *00  00  00 1;..E3.E3.......
fffff80002867740  f0  0f  ba  69  48  1f  72  4c  8b  4b  48  81 *ce *75  00  00 ...iH.rL.KH..u..
fffff80002867750  80  0f  85  26  3b  09  00  85  ff  75  46  45 *70 *48  0f  85 ...&;....uFEpH..
fffff80002867760  46  3b  09  00  8a  54  24  60  48  ff  4b  18 *c5 *30  7b  30 F;...T$`H.K..0{0
fffff80002867770  48  8b  cb  48  8b  5c  24  68  48  8b  6c  24 *ff *8b  8b  74 H..H.\$hH.l$...t
fffff80002867780  24  78  48  83  c4  30  41  5f  41  5e  41  5d *4b *01  5f  e9 $xH..0A_A^A]K._.
fffff80002867790  dc  5b  02  00  48  83  c1  48  e8  ff  85  fd *01 *c3  f8  eb .[..H..H........
fffff800028677a0  a7  ff  86  04  4b  00  00  01  be  08  4b  00 *08 *f0  ac  90 ....K.....K.....
fffff800028677b0  90  90  90  90  90  90  90  90  f0  83  41  04 *00 *00  90  90 ..........A.....

MODULE_NAME: memory_corruption

IMAGE_NAME:  memory_corruption

FOLLOWUP_NAME:  memory_corruption

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP:  0

MEMORY_CORRUPTOR:  STRIDE

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID:  X64_MEMORY_CORRUPTION_STRIDE

BUCKET_ID:  X64_MEMORY_CORRUPTION_STRIDE

Followup: memory_corruption
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Debug session time: Mon Jan 31 20:46:53.298 2011 (GMT-5)
System Uptime: 0 days 0:06:40.108
Loading Kernel Symbols
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............
Loading User Symbols
Loading unloaded module list
.....
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*                        Bugcheck Analysis                                    *
*                                                                             *
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Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

BugCheck A, {0, 2, 1, fffff800028be313}

Probably caused by : ntkrnlmp.exe ( nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+433 )

Followup: MachineOwner
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0: kd> !analyze -v
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IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (a)
An attempt was made to access a pageable (or completely invalid) address at an
interrupt request level (IRQL) that is too high.  This is usually
caused by drivers using improper addresses.
If a kernel debugger is available get the stack backtrace.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000000, memory referenced
Arg2: 0000000000000002, IRQL
Arg3: 0000000000000001, bitfield :
    bit 0 : value 0 = read operation, 1 = write operation
    bit 3 : value 0 = not an execute operation, 1 = execute operation (only on chips which support this level of status)
Arg4: fffff800028be313, address which referenced memory

Debugging Details:
------------------


WRITE_ADDRESS: GetPointerFromAddress: unable to read from fffff80002af10e0
 0000000000000000 

CURRENT_IRQL:  2

FAULTING_IP: 
nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+433
fffff800`028be313 4c8900          mov     qword ptr [rax],r8

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT:  1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT

BUGCHECK_STR:  0xA

PROCESS_NAME:  System

TRAP_FRAME:  fffff80003bf53d0 -- (.trap 0xfffff80003bf53d0)
NOTE: The trap frame does not contain all registers.
Some register values may be zeroed or incorrect.
rax=0000000000000000 rbx=0000000000000000 rcx=fffffa80024df680
rdx=fffff88002f67750 rsi=0000000000000000 rdi=0000000000000000
rip=fffff800028be313 rsp=fffff80003bf5560 rbp=0000000000000002
 r8=fffffa80053c0100  r9=000000000000000d r10=fffff80002849000
r11=fffff80003bf55b0 r12=0000000000000000 r13=0000000000000000
r14=0000000000000000 r15=0000000000000000
iopl=0         nv up ei ng nz na po nc
nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+0x433:
fffff800`028be313 4c8900          mov     qword ptr [rax],r8 ds:00000000`00000000=????????????????
Resetting default scope

LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER:  from fffff800028b8ca9 to fffff800028b9740

STACK_TEXT:  
fffff800`03bf5288 fffff800`028b8ca9 : 00000000`0000000a 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000002 00000000`00000001 : nt!KeBugCheckEx
fffff800`03bf5290 fffff800`028b7920 : fffff880`00000000 fffff880`02f63180 fffffa80`04e21b60 fffffa80`04e21c68 : nt!KiBugCheckDispatch+0x69
fffff800`03bf53d0 fffff800`028be313 : ffffffff`fffdb610 fffff800`028c529e 00000000`00000001 fffff800`00000000 : nt!KiPageFault+0x260
fffff800`03bf5560 fffff800`028c4e67 : fffffa80`050f6820 fffffa80`053c0168 fffffa80`053c0168 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+0x433
fffff800`03bf55e0 fffff800`028c54be : 00000000`ee7bbabe fffff800`03bf5c58 00000000`0000642f fffff800`02a36868 : nt!KiProcessExpiredTimerList+0x157
fffff800`03bf5c30 fffff800`028c4cb7 : 00000000`37ccecc5 00000000`0000642f 00000000`37ccec33 00000000`0000002f : nt!KiTimerExpiration+0x1be
fffff800`03bf5cd0 fffff800`028c1eea : fffff800`02a33e80 fffff800`02a41c40 00000000`00000000 fffff880`010ddf44 : nt!KiRetireDpcList+0x277
fffff800`03bf5d80 00000000`00000000 : fffff800`03bf6000 fffff800`03bf0000 fffff800`03bf5d40 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiIdleLoop+0x5a


STACK_COMMAND:  kb

FOLLOWUP_IP: 
nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+433
fffff800`028be313 4c8900          mov     qword ptr [rax],r8

SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX:  3

SYMBOL_NAME:  nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+433

FOLLOWUP_NAME:  MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: nt

IMAGE_NAME:  ntkrnlmp.exe

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP:  4c1c44a9

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID:  X64_0xA_nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+433

BUCKET_ID:  X64_0xA_nt!KiDeferredReadyThread+433

Followup: MachineOwner
---------

Debug session time: Mon Jan 31 21:03:44.800 2011 (GMT-5)
System Uptime: 0 days 0:02:00.000
Loading Kernel Symbols
...............................................................
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............
Loading User Symbols
Loading unloaded module list
.....
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*                        Bugcheck Analysis                                    *
*                                                                             *
*******************************************************************************

Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

BugCheck 109, {a3a039d8941fdaf6, 0, b763ed0ef0c9ba82, 101}

Probably caused by : Unknown_Image ( ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE )

Followup: MachineOwner
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2: kd> !analyze -v
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*                        Bugcheck Analysis                                    *
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CRITICAL_STRUCTURE_CORRUPTION (109)
This bugcheck is generated when the kernel detects that critical kernel code or
data have been corrupted. There are generally three causes for a corruption:
1) A driver has inadvertently or deliberately modified critical kernel code
 or data. See http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/kernel/64bitPatching.mspx
2) A developer attempted to set a normal kernel breakpoint using a kernel
 debugger that was not attached when the system was booted. Normal breakpoints,
 "bp", can only be set if the debugger is attached at boot time. Hardware
 breakpoints, "ba", can be set at any time.
3) A hardware corruption occurred, e.g. failing RAM holding kernel code or data.
Arguments:
Arg1: a3a039d8941fdaf6, Reserved
Arg2: 0000000000000000, Reserved
Arg3: b763ed0ef0c9ba82, Failure type dependent information
Arg4: 0000000000000101, Type of corrupted region, can be
    0 : A generic data region
    1 : Modification of a function or .pdata
    2 : A processor IDT
    3 : A processor GDT
    4 : Type 1 process list corruption
    5 : Type 2 process list corruption
    6 : Debug routine modification
    7 : Critical MSR modification

Debugging Details:
------------------


BUGCHECK_STR:  0x109

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT:  1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT

PROCESS_NAME:  System

CURRENT_IRQL:  0

LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER:  from 0000000000000000 to fffff8000287a740

STACK_TEXT:  
fffff880`031805d8 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000109 a3a039d8`941fdaf6 00000000`00000000 b763ed0e`f0c9ba82 : nt!KeBugCheckEx


STACK_COMMAND:  kb

SYMBOL_NAME:  ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE

FOLLOWUP_NAME:  MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: Unknown_Module

IMAGE_NAME:  Unknown_Image

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP:  0

BUCKET_ID:  BAD_STACK

Followup: MachineOwner
---------

Debug session time: Mon Jan 31 19:29:11.432 2011 (GMT-5)
System Uptime: 0 days 0:03:22.633
Loading Kernel Symbols
...............................................................
................................................................
............
Loading User Symbols
Loading unloaded module list
.....
*******************************************************************************
*                                                                             *
*                        Bugcheck Analysis                                    *
*                                                                             *
*******************************************************************************

Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

BugCheck 101, {31, 0, fffff88002f63180, 2}

Probably caused by : Unknown_Image ( ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE )

Followup: MachineOwner
---------

0: kd> !analyze -v
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CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT (101)
An expected clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor in an
MP system within the allocated interval. This indicates that the specified
processor is hung and not processing interrupts.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000031, Clock interrupt time out interval in nominal clock ticks.
Arg2: 0000000000000000, 0.
Arg3: fffff88002f63180, The PRCB address of the hung processor.
Arg4: 0000000000000002, 0.

Debugging Details:
------------------


BUGCHECK_STR:  CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT_4_PROC

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT:  1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT

PROCESS_NAME:  System

CURRENT_IRQL:  d

STACK_TEXT:  
fffff880`009a9768 fffff800`0283a453 : 00000000`00000101 00000000`00000031 00000000`00000000 fffff880`02f63180 : nt!KeBugCheckEx
fffff880`009a9770 fffff800`02894de7 : 00000000`00000000 fffff800`00000002 00000000`00026161 fffffa80`00101a8e : nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+0x4dfe
fffff880`009a9800 fffff800`02e02895 : fffff800`02e273c0 fffff880`009a99b0 fffff800`02e273c0 00000000`00000000 : nt!KeUpdateSystemTime+0x377
fffff880`009a9900 fffff800`02888c33 : 00000000`4680bf88 fffff800`02a06e80 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : hal!HalpHpetClockInterrupt+0x8d
fffff880`009a9930 fffff800`028c1dbb : fffffa80`00000000 00000000`00000001 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`00000000 : nt!KiInterruptDispatchNoLock+0x163
fffff880`009a9ac0 fffff800`0289a63c : 00000000`00000000 fffff6fc`40004308 c3816675`e5e1f4e2 4398c2b1`e2758729 : nt!KxFlushEntireTb+0x93
fffff880`009a9b00 fffff800`028d3b79 : fffff6fc`40004308 00000000`0000003e fffff800`02a06e80 00000000`00000040 : nt!KeFlushMultipleRangeTb+0x28c
fffff880`009a9bd0 fffff800`028d374f : 00000000`0001ac00 00000000`0000003f 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!MiZeroPageChain+0x14e
fffff880`009a9c10 fffff800`02b30c06 : fffffa80`024b5b60 00000000`00000080 fffffa80`024b5040 fffff800`0286ac19 : nt!MmZeroPageThread+0x7da
fffff880`009a9d40 fffff800`0286ac26 : fffff800`02a06e80 fffffa80`024b5b60 fffff800`02a14c40 4127733c`5d3b0000 : nt!PspSystemThreadStartup+0x5a
fffff880`009a9d80 00000000`00000000 : fffff880`009aa000 fffff880`009a4000 fffff880`009a9890 00000000`00000000 : nt!KxStartSystemThread+0x16


STACK_COMMAND:  kb

SYMBOL_NAME:  ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE

FOLLOWUP_NAME:  MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: Unknown_Module

IMAGE_NAME:  Unknown_Image

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP:  0

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID:  X64_CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT_4_PROC_ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE

BUCKET_ID:  X64_CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT_4_PROC_ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE

Followup: MachineOwner
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My System SpecsSystem Spec
02 Feb 2011   #43
rtc0523

Win 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

I think it was a problem with the motherboard because it stopped powering on entirely. I hooked up a different power supply and same symptoms. The fans kick on but it doesnt boot at all. That is with my ram and hard drives hooked up and without. I cant even get a POST if I unplug everything so I assume that it means my mobo is dead. Thanks for all the help.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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02 Feb 2011   #44
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

If you completely remove all the ram from your motherboard and power it on, it should start beeping or lighting up error leds like crazy on the board. If that does not occur, you are likely looking at a serious motherboard hardware issue. I would contact dell at this stage, and hope a return is still an option.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
02 Feb 2011   #45
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by rtc0523 View Post
I think it was a problem with the motherboard because it stopped powering on entirely. I hooked up a different power supply and same symptoms. The fans kick on but it doesnt boot at all. That is with my ram and hard drives hooked up and without. I cant even get a POST if I unplug everything so I assume that it means my mobo is dead. Thanks for all the help.
You are welcome for the help. That does not sound like good news. Do follow Maguscreed's suggestion.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
02 Feb 2011   #46
rtc0523

Win 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

Yea no ram no hd's just the cpu and it powers up the fans spin and it stays like that for like 5-10 seconds and then turns off and repeats. I get no POST or anything. Yellow light on the front of the case instead of the normal blue. And I bought this PC over 3 years ago so Im pretty sure they won't do anything for me.
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03 Feb 2011   #47
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

I think you have found your problem. It is time for a new motherboard.
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03 Feb 2011   #48
rtc0523

Win 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

Yea it seems that way is there any chance it would be the CPU instead? If there was something wrong with the CPU and I put it in a friend's computer could it damage his motherboard?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
03 Feb 2011   #49
rtc0523

Win 7 Ultimate 64 Bit
 
 

I have some darker spots on my CPU could it be the cause of my problems? Heres a pic.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
03 Feb 2011   #50
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

odd place for it to get tinged, that cpu has been pulled out before is the only reason I could think for that happening. A replacement cpu will be fairly cheap actually. That may be your last shot at this, if it really is the motherboard replacement could be nearly as expensive as getting a mid level acer or something to just replace it with. Are any of the contact points in the socket discolored as well?
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