an 11 years old one, at that. changing it to one with 55 cfm, so i do actually expect at least to not go above 62C (which is the max tpd for my cpu) during gaming, but as you said, low budget, so i might still not be able to solve things this way.
i did already buy it, now i'm waiting for it to arrive, although it's only air cooling it at least has heatpipes.
Having a background in engineering I will take it as granted you will know about the thermal dynamics (conductivity for want of a better term) of metals so it is a relief to know you are heading towards a solution to that issue.
That is good the cooler has heat pipes at least it isn't one of those solid block stock ones that the fan is attached directly to the top of the fins the aluminium they are manufactured from is far less efficient than copper however a lot cheaper tooThe other problem with that type to is that I have always thought it a very cheap and nasty way of getting rid of the heat being transferred to the block then the fins because it (the heat to some extent ) is blown straight back the heatsink - a very flawed and a no brain solution design in my tiny mind .
The one I am assuming you have will be more efficient especially if it is one of those that have a copper heat sink or the bare copper pipes where they are in contact with the CPU heat spreader the pipes are then inserted through the fins and so a larger cooling surface area via the fins, however it is a pity the fins are aluminium as general rule. Can I ask what one you bought please and I hope it is not one of those that like the stock variety blows the heat back at the heatsink? (see pics) It would be good to check it out.
The air cooler in my Sandy Bridge I have set up to blow the air back towards the back panel fan and I like to use 140mm fans where I can but like I said they are soemtime very large and mine I have to remove to get at the RAM sticks because the cooler overhangs those sticks.
Now when and if the budget allows for a decent set up like your I would suggest more RAM and a liquid cooler - in that order
sure, Katana 3 CPU Cooler: CPU Kuhler, Lufter, Luftersteuerung, PC Netzteile von Scythe is what i ordered earlier today.
thing is, it's really out of my budget to get a liquid cooler. actually, this one i got was a bit out of my price range, so i had to stretch a bit to get it.
also, not entirely sure if i'll get to play games that require more ram, with my current specs.so what i'm thinking is cpu>ram>gpu. (i also only have 2 ram slots)
Since all the problems started with a change in CPU, it makes sense to check that first. The only way to test that is by stress testing the CPU. Follow this guide:
CPU - Stress Test Using IntelBurnTest
No ration mate that looks ok to me a stack of heat pipes and a decent sized heat sink so it should be fine.
Just make sure the compound is applied properly and you will find a lot of different methods suggested from the other memebrs on how to do that but personally I like to use these products - one to clean prepare the surfaces and the compound itself. Arctic Silver Incorporated - ArctiClean and
Arctic Silver Incorporated - Arctic Silver 5
My method is to prepare the surfaces first then apply the compound to each surface using my index finger inside a vinyl glove and smooth the compound over each surface very thinly then apply a rice grain sized piece of compound on the top of the CPU and then attach / fix down the cooler. This makes the compound very evenly spread on each surface first and the the tiny piece will "bleed out" though the abutted surfaces. One thing to remember is not to put too much on or you will end up with a real mess.
You may get others who suggest just cleaning with alcohol or whatever but I am firm believer in these products - it is a bit more expensive than than other compounds but it is good.
The RAM slots well you can't do much about that and it depends on how much RAM that can be supported on that board. To me after looking at this 4GB is the max anyway. MS-7309 | Msi MS-7309 S. AM2 DDR2 PCIe Motherboard and you will find that sometimes DDR@ RAM is quite expensive and to find.
yeah, not long after starting this thread i contacted the person that sold it to me and they said it has been tested twice. as far as my own testing goes, as i previously said, it seems that at least two of the bsod occur when i get over max tdp of the cpu. love your pic btw.
thanks for letting me know, i do hope it'll work. as for the compound i've already decided on which method to use. it's a bit similar to yours, only that i'll apply the compound only in the middle, and let the weight of the heatsink do the job.
also when i cleaned it the last time i didn't use the proper type of alcohol (used ethanol), but it seemed to work pretty well.
Ok mate you do it how you are comfortable with I only use the products I linked and my method because I know the surfaces are absolutely clean and free of contaminants and that every square millimetre of those surfaces is covered - especially the CPU surface
You mentioned ethanol in your post it is a good cleaner but like methanol is a water based solvent and with old compounds particularly it sometimes may not remove it that well or at all - which again I linked the Arctic solvent and surface preparation. There are other removers ie citrus oil for example which will dissolve the compound but needs removing itself.
Anyway good luck lets hope this may go some way into solving the issues:)
alright, after installing the new fan it seems i get no more bsods.
one weird thing tho, was that the first time i turned my pc on after replacing the fan right after the 'welcome' screen loaded i got a 0x101 bsod, which i talked about before. it was caused by the same driver too, but after that i stress tested both the cpu and gpu and it seems everything is fine.
it seems that the highest the cpu temp went up is 50C, so if any other bsod occur it must be the cpu, in case that might happen i won't close this thread until friday.
thanks for all the help so far, btw.
Ok well this sort of sums up in a sense what the issue is and in part what you have done.
The other members listed here are all senior and well respected for their knowledge even though this is an old thread. STOP 0x101: CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT troubleshtg
Well lets hope Friday comes and goes without incident. Keep us posted :)
Just an afterthought ration - have had net connection problems - you could follow Golden's suggestion too an stress test that CPU.
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