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Windows 7: BSOD 1e with Skyrim SE, no further parameters

2 Weeks Ago   #31
Chew N Tobacca

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Sorry for the delayed reply. Yes, they are still happening. I ran the display driver uninstall utility, and I actually thought that fixed it; I got about an hour and a half on Saturday, and about two and a half hours on Sunday. Shut down to go run some errands, launched again a few hours later, and blue screen at about 10 minutes in.


However, I believe I may have arrived at a conclusion, or at least identified a problem. Yesterday I had just turned it on to back up some stuff, had been at idle for only 5-10 minutes, and I got a big red pop-up from my AI Suite with a warning that said "CPU Fan 0 RPM!" Immediately I pulled up the monitor and sure enough, 0 RPM on the fan sensor and about 122 degrees F. Again this was at idle, and as I mentioned in an earlier post:

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I ran good ol' Prime95 for some time, about an hour or so, on blend test. Passed everything flawlessly, and my CPU temps stayed at or under 53 C (125 F)
I think that would explain everything. I forget if I mentioned the cooler in this thread, but it is the Antec Kuhler H2O 620. I'm not sure if the "CPU fan speed" is monitoring the pump speed or fan speed or both. But for my temp to go from a normal 80F (give or take a few) to the same temp as full load for extended periods, once you go ahead and put a load on there, I figure it will max to its threshold almost instantly, and thus causing shutdown.

With that said, I have a couple different coolers to use as a backup, or I may replace the liquid cooler instead. Feel free to comment one way or another on my logic here, but cause and effect seems pretty spot on.


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2 Weeks Ago   #32
wither 2

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

Interesting. We tried to establish whether or not the CPU was overheating back at the start of the thread and there was no indication of a problem by the monitoring software and you had taken the time to check everything was clean. Wonder why it took your AI Suite so long to finally identify it is the problem.

I wouldn't think that the monitoring software would be checking the pump speed. However, something stopped the CPU fan which I guess, without knowing the exact setup, is independent of your cooling setup. For instance, on this old system, the CPU has it's own fan and I have a ThermalTake fan on the mobo. I don't think the performance of the fans is dependent on one another. I'm thinking you need to replace the CPU fan unless it's part of the Antech cooling system.
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2 Weeks Ago   #33
Chew N Tobacca

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I don't know how the cooler reports from its sensor, but they are an integrated unit. The way the Antec I use is set up has the actual fan mounts behind the radiator and is plugged in to the pump, and the pump plugs in to the heads on the board. The fan speed that the monitoring software displays is always consistent at around 1400 rpm. Just based on what I experienced yesterday, I suspect that under any sort of load, once the fan or pump stops running, it's only seconds before hitting its temperature threshold and shutting down. I think I still have the stock cooler to use as a test. However the high power consumption of the 965BE is known to run hot, and I'd just as soon only do it once, so I may put on a new liquid cooler.

In short, I believe my trusty Antec Kuhler is on its way out. Once confirmed, I will report back.

Thanks, Wither, once again for your diligence.
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2 Weeks Ago   #34
wither 2

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

I was looking at this tutorial for installing your cooling system

antec kuhler 920 software - Bing video

In this case, I guess the fan that stopped is the fan on the radiator since the pump attaches to the CPU. Do I have that right?
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2 Weeks Ago   #35
Chew N Tobacca

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

That is correct, in this case the CPU fan is the one installed behind the radiator. The cooler shown is the same one I run.
I went ahead and fished up my stock cooler, I'm going to use it for a test run, hopefully tomorrow I will have time.
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2 Weeks Ago   #36
wither 2

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

I was reading this-

Antec 620 Kuhler problem | [H]ard|Forum

and in post 13, the guy seemed to think that the 1425 RPM (you mentioned 1400) is the pump speed.

Since the fan is electrically connected to the pump, I don't know what would cause the fan to stop.

What is the stock cooler you're going to test?
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2 Weeks Ago   #37
Chew N Tobacca

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Update!

I decided to watch the fan speeds under everyday tasks, no gaming involved (with CPUID's HWMonitor which shows min and max readings of everything), and after a while I noticed the minimum displayed on ALL the fan sensors was close to, but not quite, zero. One read 8 rpm, another read 27 rpm, and the third showed 36 rpm. The fourth fan is not detected under the program, but is the side intake that is easily visible.

I'm not quite sure what that means. None of them are PWM capable, so any profile or attempt at manual override makes them all stop completely. I don't believe there should be any reason for any of them to drop below the pre-determined rpm speed.

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What is the stock cooler you're going to test?
I still have the original heatsink / fan assembly that came with the CPU. Honestly I've never used it because I knew that particular CPU was known to run hot. That's why I went with a liquid cooler from the get-go.

At this point I may suspect more serious issues like motherboard failure. I can understand one failing fan, but definitely not 3 or 4 at once.
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2 Weeks Ago   #38
Chew N Tobacca

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Addition: Perhaps unrelated to anything. When I booted up before everything I mentioned in the previous post, something else weird happened. I got a driver install error, so I probed into it. Device manager showed an unknown USB device with no VID/PID or any other info. I scratched my head, since nothing has been plugged or unplugged in weeks. Turned out to be the Logitech F310 gamepad, as referred to in a much earlier post as "the new gamepad". I simply unplugged and re-plugged the controller and all was fine, and the unknown device went away.
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2 Weeks Ago   #39
wither 2

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
 
 

I don't know which fans HWM is monitoring on your system and why their speeds would even approach 0. On this system, I have the stock CPU fan, GPU fan and a Thermaltake fan on the mobo. HWM only shows the first two and none of the case fans (5). The minimums are no where near zero.

Is the cooler fan speed supposed to be variable? If so, you would think it would increase if the CPU or coolant temperatures increased. I didn't look at the software which comes with your cooler.
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1 Week Ago   #40
Chew N Tobacca

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

HWMonitor shows CPU fan and CH_Fan1 and CH_Fan2 (displayed by HWM as "FANIN1" and "FANIN2") which are front intake and top exhaust, respectively. CH_Fan3 is not typically displayed, and when it does it always reads 0 rpm, even though it's clearly spinning properly. I kind of wonder if HWM is not always displaying proper data. Lately when I open it up, occasionally it displays the CPU as "AMD K10 Processor" and shows no motherboard data besides memory usage; no voltages, no fan info, no temps, nothing. I can close it down and re-open the program and all is fine.


I don't believe the speed is variable on the cooler fan. It had no software with it (I forget if Antec even offers any), so it is all controlled via motherboard. Again, it's always right about 1400~1450 rpms. Low readings are like 1380s and highs are 1490s. Honestly I don't think I've ever gotten it hot enough to ramp the speed, if it ever does. Even running stress test its barely over 50 C (~125 F). Bonus points for Antec!
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