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Windows 7: windows 7(missing BOOTMGR erorr)

06 May 2010   #31
phaze

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The setup you talk about with the two boot manger sounds good man, but when i boot my pc will i have option to go into what boot loader i want and then it will have list of the operating systems on that boot manger. Also is it hard to move Vista to the 500gb hard drive? Thanks for the fast reply.


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06 May 2010   #32
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by phaze View Post
The setup you talk about with the two boot manger sounds good man, but when i boot my pc will i have option to go into what boot loader i want and then it will have list of the operating systems on that boot manger.
Yes.

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Also is it hard to move Vista to the 500gb hard drive? Thanks for the fast reply.
No. I would suggest you use the free Partition Wizard, Home edition.
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06 May 2010   #33
phaze

windows 7
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by phaze View Post
The setup you talk about with the two boot manger sounds good man, but when i boot my pc will i have option to go into what boot loader i want and then it will have list of the operating systems on that boot manger.
Yes.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by phaze View Post
Also is it hard to move Vista to the 500gb hard drive? Thanks for the fast reply.
No. I would suggest you use the free Partition Wizard, Home edition.
ok sounds good all check out free partition wizard now? That program or Wizard built into windows?
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06 May 2010   #34
iseeuu

 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by phaze View Post
The setup you talk about with the two boot manger sounds good man, but when i boot my pc will i have option to go into what boot loader i want and then it will have list of the operating systems on that boot manger.
Yes.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by phaze View Post
Also is it hard to move Vista to the 500gb hard drive? Thanks for the fast reply.
No. I would suggest you use the free Partition Wizard, Home edition.
ok sounds good all check out free partition wizard now? That program or Wizard built into windows?
No, the built-in Disk Management Utility in Vista and 7 is to limited for all the steps needed for a project like this. Here is a link to the free Home edition of Partition Wizard for you to check out: BEST FREE Partition Manager Software for Windows supports all 32-bit & 64 bit Windows No-server OS.

I need to log off now, and I will be doing some traveling this weekend, but I will check in when I can to see your progress.

Cheers!
Robert
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06 May 2010   #35
phaze

windows 7
 
 

Thanks man!! All be in process of doing that thanks again.
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07 May 2010   #36
iseeuu

 
 

If this were my computer, and I was to do this for myself, step one would be to shrink the Vista partition. There is less to move, and I get a good idea of how much room I need on the 500GB hard drive for Vista. I would use the Windows Disk Management Utility.

Step two would be to shrink the 500GB hard drive to allow room for the Vista partition. I would put it at the end (far right visually) of the hard drive. I would give the Vista space a little more room that the actual size to allow for some growth. After the move, the partition can be extended to fill the entire space.

Step three, use Partition Wizard to copy the Vista partition to the now empty space on the 500GB hard drive. I would copy so as not to damage the data on the 320GB hard drive until the 500GB hard drive was done.

Step four, when the copy is successful, unplug the 320GB hard drive and verify the 500GB hard drive will now boot to both 7 and Vista. Do a "Startup Repair" from the 7 DVD or "Repair CD" or do the bootrec /rebuildbcd command from the Command Prompt while booted to the DVD. See the MS link: How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows

Once the 500GB hard drive is finished, unplug it and connect the 320GB hard drive for step five. Use Partition Wizard to delete all partitions on the 320GB hard drive. Create the NTFS partition for your storage and backup, only leave 12GB of empty space at the beginning (far left visually) of the hard drive for your Ubuntu.

Step six is to use the Ubuntu Install CD to install Ubuntu. Just tell the installer to use the empty space at the front of the hard drive and it will do the rest, including installing Grub.

At this point you can connect both hard drives. To boot to Windows, you will need to make the 500GB the first drive in boot order in the BIOS, or if you have a boot menu key (like F12) you can just select the hard drive from the menu. To boot to Ubuntu, you would select the 320GB hard drive to boot.

To add your Windows 7 and Vista to GRUB, you would boot to Ubuntu and use the sudo update-grub command as shown at the end of this link: Fixed Windows - But Now Grub is Gone?

To add Ubuntu to your Windows bootmgr, you need to boot to Windows and download the free "EasyBCD2" utility. Use that utility to add the Ubuntu entry.

When done, you will have the ability to use either boot manager just by selecting the appropriate hard drive as the current boot drive. You can also set the desired OS as the default OS so it will load automatically if you do not select a different OS.

Cheers!
Robert
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10 May 2010   #37
phaze

windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
If this were my computer, and I was to do this for myself, step one would be to shrink the Vista partition. There is less to move, and I get a good idea of how much room I need on the 500GB hard drive for Vista. I would use the Windows Disk Management Utility.
How would i shrink with the Windows Disk Management Utility or could i use Free partition manger?
So currently the Vista partition is the full hard drive, so in order for me to move it to the other hard drive shrink that one partition down to about 10 to 15 gbs would work right? I understand what your saying..

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Step two would be to shrink the 500GB hard drive to allow room for the Vista partition. I would

put it at the end (far right visually) of the hard drive. I would give the Vista space a little

more room that the actual size to allow for some growth. After the move, the partition can be

extended to fill the entire space.

Step three, use Partition Wizard to copy the Vista partition to the now empty space on the 500GB hard drive. I would copy so as not to damage the data on the 320GB hard drive until the 500GB hard drive was done.
So what you saying in the last to paragraphs is you want me to shrink the Vista partition and move it from the 320gb hard drive onto the 500gb hard drive that i am running windows 7 on currently correct and put that partition at the end, so when i use it i can grow and not be limited in space correct? --When i shrink the Windows 7 partition it can grow correct because the two Operating system i would use the most would be Windows 7 and Ubuntu.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Step four, when the copy is successful, unplug the 320GB hard drive and verify the 500GB hard

drive will now boot to both 7 and Vista. Do a "Startup Repair" from the 7 DVD or "Repair CD" or

do the bootrec /rebuildbcd command from the Command Prompt while booted to the DVD. See the MS

link: How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows

Once the 500GB hard drive is finished, unplug it and connect the 320GB hard drive for step five.

Use Partition Wizard to delete all partitions on the 320GB hard drive. Create the NTFS partition

for your storage and backup, only leave 12GB of empty space at the beginning (far left visually)

of the hard drive for your Ubuntu.

Do you really have to unplug the 320 hard drive or If a person was to set this up they have to unplug a hard drive everytime to make sure the boot managers don't overlap correct? --What the reason for doing the startup repair ?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Step six is to use the Ubuntu Install CD to install Ubuntu. Just tell the installer to use the

empty space at the front of the hard drive and it will do the rest, including installing Grub.

At this point you can connect both hard drives. To boot to Windows, you will need to make the

500GB the first drive in boot order in the BIOS, or if you have a boot menu key (like F12) you

can just select the hard drive from the menu. To boot to Ubuntu, you would select the 320GB hard

drive to boot.

To add your Windows 7 and Vista to GRUB, you would boot to Ubuntu and use the sudo update-grub command as shown at the end of this link: Fixed Windows - But Now Grub is Gone?

To add Ubuntu to your Windows bootmgr, you need to boot to Windows and download the free

"EasyBCD2" utility. Use that utility to add the Ubuntu entry.

When done, you will have the ability to use either boot manager just by selecting the appropriate

hard drive as the current boot drive. You can also set the desired OS as the default OS so it

will load automatically if you do not select a different OS.

If i am understanding this correctly i have to change the boot drive inorder to use each drive. I would do this by press "F12" on my keyboard and choose what hard drive to boot correct? Wouldn't it be easier just ot use one Boot manger for all drive and Operating systems? Or SEt it up so each drive has the same operating systems, so if one crashes you have the same setup and cna recover it by booting from the
other hard drive? --Just a suggestions--
Thank you so much many for putting your hard work into this post.. Hope to here back from yeah.. Once i do i will get started. .
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10 May 2010   #38
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by phaze View Post
How would i shrink with the Windows Disk Management Utility or could i use Free partition manger?
So currently the Vista partition is the full hard drive, so in order for me to move it to the other hard drive shrink that one partition down to about 10 to 15 gbs would work right? I understand what your saying..
Yes, you can use Partition Wizard if you wish. I would use the Windows Disk Management Utility because it will assure me to leave a large enough Vista partition so as to not hinder proper operation. I would say you have at least 20 to 30 GB to spare in your 500GB hard drive and will not miss the space for Vista.

Right click on the Vista partition and select "Shrink Volume". Shrink the partition as far as is allowed, then make adequate space available for the partition to fit on the other hard drive:

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So what you saying in the last to paragraphs is you want me to shrink the Vista partition and move it from the 320gb hard drive onto the 500gb hard drive that i am running windows 7 on currently correct and put that partition at the end, so when i use it i can grow and not be limited in space correct? --When i shrink the Windows 7 partition it can grow correct because the two Operating system i would use the most would be Windows 7 and Ubuntu.
Yes. if it were mine, this is the way I would want to set it up for myself.

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Do you really have to unplug the 320 hard drive or If a person was to set this up they have to unplug a hard drive everytime to make sure the boot managers don't overlap correct? --What the reason for doing the startup repair ?
All right, look ... right now I assume you are dual booting 7 and Vista. Your boot manager knows Vista is on the second hard drive (320GB). When you move Vista to the 500GB hard drive, YOU are going to have to get the boot manager to see that Vista has moved. It is a safer procedure to just move Vista until your boot manager can successfully find and boot to Vista on the 500GB hard drive. So you will want to just temporaraly unplug the 320GB hard drive until that is done. For safety's sake, if something unexpected happens, you will still have your Vista partition on the 320GB hard drive, so there is less risk of loosing valuable data. When you do not need the Vista partition on the 320GB hard drive anymore, you can feel free to delete it. After that, there will not be a need to unplug anything, so you do not need to worry about that. You only need to unplug the 320GB hard drive until you are able to dual boot to 7 and Vista.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by phaze View Post
If i am understanding this correctly i have to change the boot drive inorder to use each drive. I would do this by press "F12" on my keyboard and choose what hard drive to boot correct? Wouldn't it be easier just ot use one Boot manger for all drive and Operating systems? Or SEt it up so each drive has the same operating systems, so if one crashes you have the same setup and cna recover it by booting from the other hard drive? --Just a suggestions--
Thank you so much many for putting your hard work into this post.. Hope to here back from yeah.. Once i do i will get started. .
No, you are NOT understanding this step correctly. This is JUST A TEMPORARY STEP. When you are COMPLETELY DONE, you can use either boot manager to boot to any OS. You will not need to unplug anything, change anything, or select anything except what you see on the Boot Manager Menu. THE BENEFIT OF DOING IT THIS WAY IS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOUR WINDOWS BOOT MANAGER, YOU CAN STILL BOOT TO ANY OS WITH THE GRUB BOOT MANAGER. OR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE GRUB BOOT MANAGER, YOU CAN STILL USE THE WINDOWS BOOT MANAGER.

However feel free to do it anyway you like, or the way that suits your needs, and we will support you as best as we are able.

Cheers!
Robert
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10 May 2010   #39
phaze

windows 7
 
 

Thank you for clearing that up i was always about setting this up correctly thank you.
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17 May 2010   #40
phaze

windows 7
 
 

Change of plans i have Wiped my 320gb hard drive completely via Free partition manger. Next i installed Windows 7 and after that i install Ubuntu everything went Flawlessly on the 320 Grub2 boot loader is installed in case my other drive crashes which can boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.

---Now i have used that great utility IseeU recommended me to use "easyBCD2" to edit the Windows boot manger. What i wanted to do was Edit the Boot manger, so on the 500gb hard drive i have all the operating systems on my computer. PHaze successfully added the Windows 7 from the 320 onto the 500gb boot manger, but the Ubuntu was listed but wont boot i am wonder why this is? Did i select a wrong setting in the EASYBCD2 utility "iseeU" ?
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