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Windows 7: 2 gig = ok 4 gig = BSOD

15 May 2010   #31
mikejbrod

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

Oh also forgot to say that I am now using windows 7 64bit as someone sudjusted this earlyer on in the posts.


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15 May 2010   #32
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Sorry to hear your still having the BSOD.

The new RAM looks good, and the win7 64 bit.

Is everything the same as before, let us know if there're any differences.

Still no problem with 2GB installed?

Did you try installing the 2X2GB sticks in the black sockets and then in the orange sockets?

Asus recommends installing them in the orange sockets when using 2 sticks.

Did you run Memtest86 on the new RAM?

Let's look at the RAM settings, post a snip of the 'Memory' and 'SPD' tabs from CPUZ, The latest version is CPU-Z 1.54,(< click to go to the CPUZ site).
This one is 64bit: Download version 1.54 64-bit (.zip, no install, english).

Run the Memory Assessment tool from the What's your memory assessment speed? thread, before you make any changes.
Post the results here so we can use it for comparison after any changes.
The instructions are on the first post.

If your not familiar with the functions of the BIOS read section '2.4 Ai Tweaker menu' in your motherboard manual.

Go to your BIOS and check all the RAM settings, post back the results.

In your BIOS select the 'Ai Tweaker' tab, is everything set to 'Auto'?

What are the Settings in:
'Ai Overclock Tuner' (options are manual, auto and X.M.P.),
'FSB Strap to North Bridge' (options are auto, 200MHz, 266MHz, 333MHz, 400MHz)
'DRAM Frequency' (options are auto, DDR3-800MHz, DDR3-1066MHz, DDR3-1600MHz, DDR3-1800MHz),
'DRAM Timing Control' (options are auto, manual)
'NB voltage' (options are auto, 1.10V, 1.15V, 1.20V, 1.25V)
'Memory Over Voltage' (options are Auto, the values range from 1.50V to 2.205V with 0.015V intervals)

Does your new RAM have X.M.P.?
Didn't see anything on their website that indicates it does.

If your settings are at default, it's highly likely that they are not correct. Asus uses 'safe' settings to ensure that nothing will be damaged, as they don't know what RAM will be installed.

Standard disclaimer:
Changing settings in BIOS has inherent risks, the wrong settings can cause damage to the hardware.
If your not sure about the settings you want to change, seek advice or at minimum research your options, read the motherboard manual.

I had to reset my RAM settings in BIOS after RAM installation, the settings were not correct for my RAM.
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16 May 2010   #33
mikejbrod

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Sorry to hear your still having the BSOD.

The new RAM looks good, and the win7 64 bit.

Is everything the same as before, let us know if there're any differences.

Yes just new Ram everything else (bar 64bit o/s) is the same.


Still no problem with 2GB installed?

No, no issues with 2gig.

Did you try installing the 2X2GB sticks in the black sockets and then in the orange sockets?

It is now! was in black changed put in 4 gig and pooooffff BSOD so no difference there...

Asus recommends installing them in the orange sockets when using 2 sticks.

Done

Did you run Memtest86 on the new RAM?

Yes no errors now on 4gig (used to get them on the old ram with 4 gig)

Let's look at the RAM settings, post a snip of the 'Memory' and 'SPD' tabs from CPUZ, The latest version is CPU-Z 1.54,(< click to go to the CPUZ site).
This one is 64bit: Download version 1.54 64-bit (.zip, no install, english).

Ok see attached files.

Run the Memory Assessment tool from the What's your memory assessment speed? thread, before you make any changes.
Post the results here so we can use it for comparison after any changes.
The instructions are on the first post.

Ok see attached files.

If your not familiar with the functions of the BIOS read section '2.4 Ai Tweaker menu' in your motherboard manual.

Go to your BIOS and check all the RAM settings, post back the results.

In your BIOS select the 'Ai Tweaker' tab, is everything set to 'Auto'?

Settings under AI tweaker option are all currently set to auto.

What are the Settings in:
'Ai Overclock Tuner' (options are manual, auto and X.M.P.),
'FSB Strap to North Bridge' (options are auto, 200MHz, 266MHz, 333MHz, 400MHz)
'DRAM Frequency' (options are auto, DDR3-800MHz, DDR3-1066MHz, DDR3-1600MHz, DDR3-1800MHz),
'DRAM Timing Control' (options are auto, manual)
'NB voltage' (options are auto, 1.10V, 1.15V, 1.20V, 1.25V)
'Memory Over Voltage' (options are Auto, the values range from 1.50V to 2.205V with 0.015V intervals)

Does your new RAM have X.M.P.? erm to be honist I dont know? how do I tell?
Didn't see anything on their website that indicates it does.

If your settings are at default, it's highly likely that they are not correct. Asus uses 'safe' settings to ensure that nothing will be damaged, as they don't know what RAM will be installed.

Standard disclaimer:
Changing settings in BIOS has inherent risks, the wrong settings can cause damage to the hardware.
If your not sure about the settings you want to change, seek advice or at minimum research your options, read the motherboard manual.

I had to reset my RAM settings in BIOS after RAM installation, the settings were not correct for my RAM.
Hope your able to advise me as I am really unsure with the ram settings in bios as usally I leave that area well alone...
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16 May 2010   #34
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mikejbrod View Post

Hope your able to advise me as I am really unsure with the ram settings in bios as usally I leave that area well alone...
No problem, we'll take it slow.

Overclocking both RAM and CPU is a trial and error procedure, you need to read up on the MOBO manual, other overclocking sites and get a general idea of how this works.

You make small adjustments, and check for stability.
That means, see how it runs, if no BSOD your good and can go more if desired. If you go a little too far and get a BSOD, then you back off.

Write down all the setting in BIOS Ai Tweaker section, or take pictures.
IF nothing is stable (worst case scenario) then you can set everything back to how it is now.

Your Memory Assessment is a little low, for 1X2GB it's ok.

Go to the 'Ai Tweaker' tab, move down to the 'NB voltage' and click enter, hopefully it will tell you what the actual voltage is. It should be in auto now, just leave it there and let me know what the voltage is, if it is listed.

Your MOBO is reported to need a small bump for the North Bridge, depending on the current voltage, if listed, we'll go from there.

Let me know what the voltage is, this may be all that is required, if luck is with us.
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16 May 2010   #35
mikejbrod

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

Ok cool,

Right I have looked and its set to 1.10v

Its Max Voltage is 1.25v

Incruments of 0.05v at a time.

When you ask me to up it do you want me to put both strips back in or just leave it as is (1 x 2gig atm)

Thanks so much

Mike
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16 May 2010   #36
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Just leave 1X2GB in for now, set the NB voltage to 1.15V, then you need to stress the system, run a couple of passes of Memtest86, play the most resource demanding game for an hour.

If everything is running smooth, put the other 2GBs in (lets use the orange sockets), do what you normally do when it blue screens. If it seems ok, then run Memtest86, play a game.

If everything passes, run the Memory Assessment and post the results.

Let me know if it's exactly the same as before, a little better...

Looks like your RAM has XMP, lower right side in the SPD tab of CPUZ, XMP-1600.
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17 May 2010   #37
mikejbrod

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

Hi Dave,

Right I think we maybe be getting somewhere!!!

I have had 4gig's in now for nearly 3hrs with the 0.05v increase in the nbridge and no BSODS!!! **Touch Wood**

I have also tried to Use X.M.P Profile #1 but this doesnt let the system P.O.S.T when I selected this. Also I have noticed that currently the Ram is running at 1333Mhz

The ram is sold as 1600Mhz but when selecting this option in Bios again the pc fails to P.O.S.T?

Odd?

Here are the requested images below.

Any thoughts on the above, also if it makes any difference I tried the above settings with and without the increase of 0.05v on nbridge both resulted in the pc not P.O.S.Ting.

But at least I seem to have a stable rig with 4gig now........ so far anyway.
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17 May 2010   #38
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

That's good news.

The Memory Assessment is still low, should be double that score. At least your getting Dual channel.

Let's try a bump on the NB Voltage, move it up to 1.20V.
Run 4GB at the same 1333 MHz settings to check for stability. Run Memtest86 and play a game.

If it's stable, try your XMP profile (XMP-1600) again.
If it POSTs, let it run for a little while, if stable, run Memtest86 and play a game.
If stable post the new Memory Assessment results.

If it's not stable, check the (with XMP profile selected) memory voltages and timings in BIOS and let me know what they are running at.

I couldn't get the XMP profile to run well on my board, ended up running the settings manually.

Let's try the XMP profile first.
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18 May 2010   #39
mikejbrod

Windows 7 Pro
 
 

Hi Dave,

With the increase in another 0.05volts all is ok.

Tried with XMP again, this time system is P.O.S.Ting but hangs during POST and or Boot.

So I have check the voltages and timing as requested they are as follows:-

1600mhz-8-8-8-28-1.90v

I have looked at the Manual option and just got lost in the option and decided to wait for your next bit of advise instead!

Feeling a little more "at home" in the more deeper darker areas of BIOS now (thank you) still a long way to go before I understand it all I think.....

Cheers Mike
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18 May 2010   #40
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Glad your getting more comfortable with the BIOS, just remember to be careful while your in there.

This is definitely, better safe than sorry territory.

Did you check the voltages and timings in:

DRAM Timing Control
And
Memory Over Voltage

If you check it in Ai Overclock Tuner it will tell you what it's suppose to be.

IF the above is the same info, let's set it to the XMP specs manually.

Be sure to note all the settings before you change them. If it's not stable you will need to set them all back to the original settings.
Be careful not to mix the timings and voltages, 1333MHz and timings at 1.9v might cause damage.
Be sure to return the voltage to 1.5v if you need to return to the last stable settings.

Leave the NB Voltage at 1.20V.

Change your settings to:

FSB strap to North Bridge [auto] - change it to [400MHz]

DRAM Frequency [auto] - change it to [DDR3-1600MHz]

DRAM Timing control [auto] - change to [manual] and then change first 4 numbers to:
[8]
[8]
[8]
[28]

Memory Over Voltage [auto] - change to 1.9v, if the system is not stable, bump to 1.95v.

If it won't POST, Return settings to last stable settings and we'll work it up slower.

If it is stable, run Memtest86, play a game, if still stable, run and post the new Memory Assessment results.
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