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Windows 7: "Access denied" to minidump files

20 May 2010   #31
Willyw

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CarlTR6 View Post
I will try to make a brief explanation of the ownership issue. Windows 7, unlike XP and even Vista, has a lot of security built in to the operating system.

For one, the admin account in Win 7, even the hidden admin account, is not a wide open, total control account that XP had. This was done on purpose. The MS programmers realized that most users run in the admin account all the time so they deliberately limited admin rights.

You can do everything as an admin in Win 7 that you could as an admin in XP - if you know how. This requires an in depth understanding of Win 7 that one did not need in XP. Some examples of this are ownership of files and files that you cannot access even if you take ownership which was done through permissions. This is done to protect the system. This is the way Win 7 designed.
Oh. Ok... so what I'm seeing is 'normal' then.


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There is no "built in" take ownership in Win 7
...this is confusing...

Then, what is the stuff I've been describing, and was also found with Google?


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and the reason is to keep a user from taking ownership of vital system files.
And the system considers the minidump files to be vital?
That seems very odd.
I thought they were just reports.

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Anything you do to take ownership is a work around of some sort. You can do it by advanced changing permissions; but if you do not know what you are doing, you don't want to mess with permissions.

Accept that Win 7 is designed to keep you from messing with the system unless you are knowledgeable enough to understand how to work around things. The work around to take ownership that is safe and does not make your system vulnerable is the take ownership shortcut designed by Brink. He has the knowledge of Win 7 to come up with this simple, safe work around that does not leave your system vulnerable nor unstable. It is easy, it is safe, and it works.
Thank you for explaining.

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I was serious when I suggested that you purchase a good Win 7 manual from Amazon if you want to understand how Win 7 is designed and operates.
If you have any websites that you could recommend, that would be much better. Purchases are too expensive.





In reviewing it all, I did notice something that I'd like to find out if it is normal too:
When I 'take ownership' using Windows via the Properties menu, if I change the file's owner to "Administrators", then check the current owner, it shows "Unable to display current owner."

Is this too, normal?


Thanks


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20 May 2010   #32
Willyw

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Capt.Jack Sparrow View Post
To change ownership, right-click any file or folder, select Properties, and go to Security tab. Now click the Advanced button(shown in the screenshot below).


Next, you need to go to Owner tab and hit the Edit button. Then in the new dialog window choose the new owner and then click OK.

Yep. That's what I'm doing.

Except, if I change owner to Administrators, where your screen shot shows "Current Owner", mine will show "Unable to display current owner."


"Authenticated Users" nor "Users" are not listed on the earlier menu either.
Just System and Administrators. Only two that appear there.


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Hope this helps,
Captain
Thanks
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20 May 2010   #33
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 10 Pro x64
 
 

Why don't you just try the take ownership shortcut mentioned earlier and then you can study up the why.
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20 May 2010   #34
Capt.Jack Sparrow

Windows 7 Ultimate - 64-bit | Windows 8 Pro - 64-bit
 
 

I guess the permission might have messed up !! Check with other folders and see if its happening the same. If so the it might be a bad user profile. Its other folders are good then it might be something with just that folder. Anyways i guess your best bet would be to try the Build-in administrator.

- Captain
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20 May 2010   #35
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

[QUOTE=Willyw;745155]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CarlTR6 View Post
I will try to make a brief explanation of the ownership issue. Windows 7, unlike XP and even Vista, has a lot of security built in to the operating system.

For one, the admin account in Win 7, even the hidden admin account, is not a wide open, total control account that XP had. This was done on purpose. The MS programmers realized that most users run in the admin account all the time so they deliberately limited admin rights.

You can do everything as an admin in Win 7 that you could as an admin in XP - if you know how. This requires an in depth understanding of Win 7 that one did not need in XP. Some examples of this are ownership of files and files that you cannot access even if you take ownership which was done through permissions. This is done to protect the system. This is the way Win 7 designed.
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Oh. Ok... so what I'm seeing is 'normal' then.
Yes, perfectly normal as designed.

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There is no "built in" take ownership in Win 7
...this is confusing...

Then, what is the stuff I've been describing, and was also found with Google?


And the system considers the minidump files to be vital?
That seems very odd.
I thought they were just reports.
The files, reports, were generated by the system; therefore the system owns them. Just as when you create a file, you own that file. If another user account creates a file, that user account owns that file.

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Anything you do to take ownership is a work around of some sort. You can do it by advanced changing permissions; but if you do not know what you are doing, you don't want to mess with permissions.

Accept that Win 7 is designed to keep you from messing with the system unless you are knowledgeable enough to understand how to work around things. The work around to take ownership that is safe and does not make your system vulnerable is the take ownership shortcut designed by Brink. He has the knowledge of Win 7 to come up with this simple, safe work around that does not leave your system vulnerable nor unstable. It is easy, it is safe, and it works.
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Thank you for explaining.
I should further explain that changing permissions and/or changing sharing sharing also modifies the registry

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I was serious when I suggested that you purchase a good Win 7 manual from Amazon if you want to understand how Win 7 is designed and operates.
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If you have any websites that you could recommend, that would be much better. Purchases are too expensive.
there are a number of websites in which you can learn some of this. The problem is that the information is not all in one place as it is in a book. You would have to dig deep and through multiple websites. And you would not have the logical flow that you get in a book.

I agree; books are expensive. But that is the best way to learn.

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In reviewing it all, I did notice something that I'd like to find out if it is normal too:
When I 'take ownership' using Windows via the Properties menu, if I change the file's owner to "Administrators", then check the current owner, it shows "Unable to display current owner."

Is this too, normal?
If I am understanding correctly, yes, because you did not enter the specific administrator account.
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20 May 2010   #36
zzz2496

Windows7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Willyw, I know the simple answer: I bet you have UAC on. With UAC on, you are not running as "full" administrator, you're running as "limited" administrator, thus those error messages... If you're really interested to test, disable UAC, restart your pc, re-open the minidump files once again, see if you can see the owners with UAC disabled. At least, if the security descriptors messed up, you'd see a hash of the userid own the minidump file.

Btw, after testing, re-enable UAC and restart (unless you know what you're doing, you can keep UAC disabled).

zzz2496
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21 Oct 2010   #37
ElJefe

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

You can try moving it to desktop > Take ownership > Then make a .rar file out of it
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21 Oct 2010   #38
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

WillW,

I give up. Some one tell me how to get rid of those blasted smileys.

Will-- where you see a smiley type : followed by (

I see you've been bombarded.

If all of that bombardment, you still don't have access, then:

Go to an elevated command prompt.

navigate to c:\ windows\minidump
In other words,
C:
cd \windows\minidump
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type followiing:
TakeOwn /F . /R
and hit enter. Please notice the "." which is essential.

Now type following:
ICACLS . /GRANT:R KARL F) /T
and hit enter. Please notice the "." which is essential.


NOTE: SUBSTITUTE THE CORRECT USER FOR "KARL".
To determine the current people with persmissions:
ICACLS .

and hit enter. Please notice the "." which is essential.

Here is a sample from my computer:

C:\Users\karl>ICACLS .
. NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEMOI)(CI)(F)
BUILTIN\AdministratorsOI)(CI)(F)
karl-PC\karlOI)(CI)(F)
You see that my user name is karl
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21 Oct 2010   #39
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 10 Pro x64
 
 

Karl you can get rid of the smilies by checking the box that says disable smilies.
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21 Oct 2010   #40
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

Thanks. Good thing it wasn't a snake, as it would have bit me.
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