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Windows 7: Windows 7 x64 vs Windows 7 x86 (Fight)

18 May 2009   #31
12eason

Windows 7077
 
 

Well, that was a pretty random post 'Jimbo45'.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA
Today's mechanical hard disk drives can transfer data at up to 127 MB/s...
For mechanical hard drives, SATA 3 Gbit/s transfer rate is expected to satisfy drive throughput requirements for some time, as the fastest mechanical drives barely saturate a SATA 1.5 Gbit/s link. A SATA data cable rated for 1.5 Gbit/s will handle current mechanical drives without any loss of sustained and burst data transfer performance. However, high-performance flash drives are approaching SATA 3 Gbit/s transfer rate.
The controller has an affect on seek time way more than throughput.
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19 May 2009   #32
Marc Winter

 
I'll never return to a x86 system

Hi!

I started using x64 with Vista and will never return to a x86 system. Everybody kept warning me about missing drivers an loads of problems, but (thank god) I was stubborn as usual and tried it.

My games worked fine (and some of them significantly faster); my development system (VS2008) worked faster and I had no problems whatsoever.

In my opinion it's quite sad that there are still companies selling hardware without any support for x64. For me this is a sign of ignorance and doesn't earn any understanding.

Unfortunately MS will (again) release a x86 version of Seven which will make room for those who don't want to understand an hold on to their beliefs.

I've come to the conclusion that there are not very much systems on the market being able to perform acceptably with Seven on one hand and not being able to provide x64 support on the other.

But there is light... My first tests with VXP performed outstandlingly and made even hardware work which has not been usable on Vista or XP 64...
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19 May 2009   #33
12eason

Windows 7077
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marc Winter View Post
Unfortunately MS will (again) release a x86 version of Seven which will make room for those who don't want to understand an hold on to their beliefs.
So, just because a few programs don't support x64, you want Microsoft to cut off all backwards compatibility just to force manufacturers into making their software x64? That's retarded frankly.
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I've come to the conclusion that there are not very much systems on the market being able to perform acceptably with Seven on one hand and not being able to provide x64 support on the other.
Your conclusion is simply wrong.
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19 May 2009   #34
fakeasdf

Win 7 Pro x64 x 3, Win 7 Pro x86, Ubuntu 9.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 12eason View Post
So, just because a few programs don't support x64, you want Microsoft to cut off all backwards compatibility just to force manufacturers into making their software x64? That's retarded frankly.
Your conclusion is simply wrong.
Actually, I agree with both arguments here. There are still plenty of machines that don't have 64 bit CPU's that can still run Win7 just dandy, and I wouldn't want to deprave them of the awesome upgrade. On the other hand, people that have certain 32 bit programs that won't run in some 64 bit OS (which are very very very very few) always have XPM. Generally it's more of a hardware issue than a software issue when it comes to something not working in x64. Which when thinking about businesses, if it's a super old hardware thing, they probably won't have 32 bit drivers for vista/7 anyway, and I hope XPM can access all of those other hardware devices (which originally VPC couldn't) or else those companies are going to be stickin to XP... (Poor Saps)
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19 May 2009   #35
Snufffed

 

It is my understanding that in Win8 and Win9 MS will be pushing towards a FULL x64 (no x86) OS. My source told me that is why XP Mode is in Win7.
Just think, only 1 version of Windows, which is compatible with all forms of XP , Vista, & Win7. so be it.
click the switch (use in compatible mode).
I'm willing to try... as long as they leave DOS (Cmd mode) somewhere in there.
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19 May 2009   #36
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post
It is my understanding that in Win8 and Win9 MS will be pushing towards a FULL x64 (no x86) OS. My source told me that is why XP Mode is in Win7.
Just think, only 1 version of Windows, which is compatible with all forms of XP , Vista, & Win7. so be it.
click the switch (use in compatible mode).
I'm willing to try... as long as they leave DOS (Cmd mode) somewhere in there.
The real DOS left ages ago. CMD is a kind of emulator of it. I do like the compatibility mode option. I have several programs that rely on that feature.
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19 May 2009   #37
kpo6969

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Marc Winter View Post
Unfortunately MS will (again) release a x86 version of Seven which will make room for those who don't want to understand an hold on to their beliefs.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 12eason View Post
So, just because a few programs don't support x64, you want Microsoft to cut off all backwards compatibility just to force manufacturers into making their software x64?
Your conclusion is simply wrong.
I totally agree.
MS made a business decision.
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21 May 2009   #38
Jon55

Windows 7 64-bit (7127) & Mac OS X 10.5.7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post
It is my understanding that in Win8 and Win9 MS will be pushing towards a FULL x64 (no x86) OS. My source told me that is why XP Mode is in Win7.
Just think, only 1 version of Windows, which is compatible with all forms of XP , Vista, & Win7. so be it.
click the switch (use in compatible mode).
I'm willing to try... as long as they leave DOS (Cmd mode) somewhere in there.
One could only hope. Keeping 32-bit for Windows 7 I can understand. Windows 8 64-bit should be pushed hardcore though. 32-bit should be left for developing countries at that point. Don't most new comps from Dell, Gateway, etc come with Vista 64-bit anyway?
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21 May 2009   #39
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jon55 View Post
Don't most new comps from Dell, Gateway, etc come with Vista 64-bit anyway?
It is starting to become more prevalent, but not all. I think that with sufficient driver support Win8 should just be x64 since all processors sold now are x64.
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12 Jun 2009   #40
MorbidGod

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fakeasdf View Post
Thanks jimbo, I forgot about photoshop, I have a 32 bit and 64 bit of that, I think I'll do some tests on those. I agree just posting up numbers is a tad misleading, but arguing with the facts tends to not help some people. They like to see pictures And most people can't get past the myth that you need 4 gb of RAM to run 64 bit OS...
I can asure you Photoshop CS4 64-bits is millions of years faster than the 32-bits or other version ever, even with high dpi outdoors and raw pictures. In the proper machines, of course.
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