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Windows 7: Convincing a father to allow his son to subscribe..

05 Aug 2009   #11
Codfish

Windows 7 32bit(main) and Windows XP
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I know, I've asked him on multiple occasions why he needs to install on this many computers and why he feels it' has to be the Ultimate version...but I don't think he has ever answered the question.
It's just that I want that safety zone between right now and the future.

I'm planning on building a new PC as well, and installing Windows 7 onto both of my computers.
My brother as well has a computer similar to my computer's specs and he also wants to build a new computer.

If we both want to install Windows 7 onto four computers, it would cost over $1000. At least with the subscription we can also try out which ones suits our needs and even stick with it, or even go back to Windows XP considering that it's covered in the TechNet subscription.

As for the Ultimate version, I'm not sure.
I like the overall "having everything at your fingertips" kind of thought, where everything really is at your fingertips with Ultimate.
If I happened to get Home Premium believe me it wouldn't be a waste, but it would be kind of like I'm/we're missing out on stuff we could be getting.
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05 Aug 2009   #12
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Codfish View Post
I'm planning on building a new PC as well, and installing Windows 7 onto both of my computers.
Well, according to technet licensing, it's for "evaluation" purposes. Technically, you wouldn't need to "evaluate" the software on 2 machines. So, if you are using it outside of an "evaluation" period..you really need to get other licensing.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Codfish View Post
If we both want to install Windows 7 onto four computers, it would cost over $1000.
Well, the technet license does not provide you with the right to give a copy to your brother so that he can "evaluate" on multiple computers of his. Technically here, he too would need to purchase a Technet subscription for his "evaluation" as well.

Considering that both you and your brother have computers right now most likely with a Microsoft OS would give you the ability to "upgrade" these. Not to mention, you can purchase Windows Vista Home Premium with a free upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium for $109 from NewEgg (Newegg.com - Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows Vista, Windows Vista 32, Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows Media Center, Linux). So, 4 copies of that is under $500. Not to mention, you could buy the Family Pack which provides up to 3 copies for $150. A far better price than Technet. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10300835-56.html

I'm not trying to knock TechNet. I'm a systems admin for a living and having this eval software is very important for me. But I would take something like Windows Server 2008 or SQL Server 2008 and I would install it within a virtual machine and test some functionality or determine how feasible a product would be to use and then the virtual machine would be blown away and I would be onto something else. I wouldn't be using this software to install on a machine and then use it for all of my computing needs. It would be a short lived install just to figure something out and be able to build up a quick test-bed to actually see it in action.



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Codfish View Post
At least with the subscription we can also try out which ones suits our needs and even stick with it, or even go back to Windows XP considering that it's covered in the TechNet subscription.
Well, you can get Windows 7 RC1 free of charge and evaluate whether it meets your needs. And since you already have XP...you don't really nave a need to evaluate that..since you already have a licensed copy.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Codfish View Post
As for the Ultimate version, I'm not sure.
I like the overall "having everything at your fingertips" kind of thought, where everything really is at your fingertips with Ultimate.
If I happened to get Home Premium believe me it wouldn't be a waste, but it would be kind of like I'm/we're missing out on stuff we could be getting.
But honestly these aren't really "features" that most people need or would miss out on if they didn't have them. Seriously, Ultimate gives you the following over Windows 7 Home
1). BitLocker: To encrypt your hard drive. You can use TrueCrypt for free and it does same thing
2). XP Mode: It's a virtual machine. You can do the same thing for free with Microsoft Virtual PC, VMWare Server or Sun VirtualBox.
3). Join a Windows Domain. Unless you are a systems admin and need to test something out at home (group policy settings, etc)..this isn't something that you are ever going to "test" out.
4). Backup and restore from a network location. Without Professional or Ultimate you can backup to DVD or USB hard drive. Losing the ability to backup to a network drive is really a non issue for most people.
5). Remote desktop. You can do the same thing for free with VNC.


Personally I say.
1). Get 1 copy of Windows 7 for your new computer build.
2). Get a copy of some Linux distro and put it on your old computer and learn something new. Besides, if you go the route of Computer Science...you better be ready to see, use and embrace Unix/Linux.
3). Let your brother fend for himself.
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05 Aug 2009   #13
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Codfish View Post
It's just that I want that safety zone between right now and the future.

I'm planning on building a new PC as well, and installing Windows 7 onto both of my computers.
My brother as well has a computer similar to my computer's specs and he also wants to build a new computer.
if its that almost exactly the same (i of course do not condone doing this...)
you can image an install make a backup on a machine with complete same specs that is already activated and put that image on that other machine...


Quote:
If we both want to install Windows 7 onto four computers, it would cost over $1000. At least with the subscription we can also try out which ones suits our needs and even stick with it, or even go back to Windows XP considering that it's covered in the TechNet subscription.
the family pack would cover that i believe (except you might need another license as it covers only three computers)


Quote:
As for the Ultimate version, I'm not sure.
I like the overall "having everything at your fingertips" kind of thought, where everything really is at your fingertips with Ultimate.
If I happened to get Home Premium believe me it wouldn't be a waste, but it would be kind of like I'm/we're missing out on stuff we could be getting.
believe me the cost jump from professional to Ultimate is not worth it...
it would be just better to get professional at a lower cost...

i doubt you would want to use Bitlocker as truecrypt already does the same (and is able to be used on Linux and OSX as long as you use FAT32), while the fact is that it is free

Direct Access which is a VPN like solution can only be used in conjoint with Server 2008 R2 and domain like configuration which i doubt with 4 computers you have...

unless we know if you are using Unix, "Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications" is not really necessary...

the only thing i can think of the use of Ultimate is MUI or VHD booting...
which i doubt is really necessary as there is Virtual Machine tech which you can leverage...
also Virtual XP is included in Professional....



just get professional...
edit got beaten by pparks....
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05 Aug 2009   #14
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

I think you said that there isn't an age requirement for a subscripition...so why is your father involved in this? If he is paying for it than I could understand the concern...but if its your money than I don't see his justification in preventing you from signing up. I don't know about you but if I wanted to buy something and I was old enough to buy it my folks never said a thing to me about it...they couldn't
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05 Aug 2009   #15
ken9122

Win7 x64 Ultimate SP1
 
 

Have you tried begging? Works with my grand-kids.
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05 Aug 2009   #16
Codfish

Windows 7 32bit(main) and Windows XP
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
I think you said that there isn't an age requirement for a subscripition...so why is your father involved in this? If he is paying for it than I could understand the concern...but if its your money than I don't see his justification in preventing you from signing up. I don't know about you but if I wanted to buy something and I was old enough to buy it my folks never said a thing to me about it...they couldn't
I'm not really sure why there's a need to get parental permission when I'm the one buying it, but it's needed for my family.

Basically if I want to buy something I 'gotta ask permission to buy it. That's just the way it is in my family.
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05 Aug 2009   #17
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Codfish View Post
I'm not really sure why there's a need to get parental permission when I'm the one buying it, but it's needed for my family.

Basically if I want to buy something I 'gotta ask permission to buy it. That's just the way it is in my family.
Do I feel sorry for you...I sympathize with you and not your family as its your money...why should you be dictated on how to use it
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05 Aug 2009   #18
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Well, hopefully your father is just really looking out for your best interests here. I mean, the likihood of you actually getting your $350 worth out a year of TechNet is pretty small. And if you father knows anything about software licensing, he may realize that what you are doing is not within the licensing agreement anyway.

I mean being brutally honest...why spend money on Technet...if you are just going to NOT ABIDE by the licensing rules anyway and install for production use and use it on numerous computers and share with others? Doesn't make sense to me.

And as far as parent's oversight on the spending of own money....a lot of factors play into this. Past spending habits, the need to borrow money from parents for other things that you do need. My parents always watched my spending as well and in the end I think it taught me a lot of valuable life lessons that I am thankful for everyday now.
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05 Aug 2009   #19
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Codfish View Post
I'm not really sure why there's a need to get parental permission when I'm the one buying it, but it's needed for my family.

Basically if I want to buy something I 'gotta ask permission to buy it. That's just the way it is in my family.
according to this....
https://om.one.microsoft.com/OPA/htm...C/TC-en-us.htm
which is the agreemnent...
and i quote...
Quote:
7. Your Representations & Warranties.
You represent and warrant for the benefit of Microsoft that: (a) you are at least 18 years of age; (b) you possess the legal right and ability to enter into this Agreement and make the credit card charge on your own behalf or on behalf of any person for whom you are acting as agent and/or that you are authorized to use the password required for this Site; and (c) all information that you submit to us is true, accurate and current.
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05 Aug 2009   #20
Airbot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Yeah I figured you'd have to be at least 18.
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