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Antman said:

He threatened while I was typing. I got the smack down.

Smackonic.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

Kari said:

Here's something not worth own thread but what I want to say. If I misunderstood the point of this thread, I sincerely ask the OP to tell it to me and I will delete this post.

We, household CEO and I, we like to watch an American TV-series "Numb3rs". Just yesterday when watching an episode I was thinking the difference between European PAL and American NTSC systems. (NTSC = Never The Same Color)

I mean, I paid a lot of completely digital high-end Home Entertainment system with FullHD 1080 capability, and then most of the shows I'd like to watch come from U.S.A., so what I see is quite a lousy picture most often in 4:3 format. The quality is often quite poor because of converting NTSC to PAL.

Back there behind the big water, is this Digital Broadcasting you just started going to make a change in my dilemma? May I see better picture quality in American shows in the future?

Kari

Kari, the problem is not in the NTSC standard. The problem is in the crappy implementation providers use. The bottom line rules, and the bottom line says "compress the bejeezus out of it as long as it sort of ressembles the original so we can send two or three additional signals in the same bandwidth".

Now with HD, you get compression artifacts that are smaller . Hell, an upscaled well-mastered DVD sometimes looks better than the station / cable / satellite transmitted HD program.

For true HD, look to Blu-Ray, but that will only bring me to my pet peeve rant, which I may start a thread about ... and no, it's not about the format war, that's over and done and gone. And the image quality is great. No, it's about how can a bunch of multi-billion technological corporations can come up with such a moronic set of UI standards, if standard is indeed a concept that can be applied to it.

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I hope you do a better job with the calendar ...

Antman said:

Science.

I mean, scienconic.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o"]YouTube - Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science[/ame]

OMG, now he's got me doing it!!!

DJG said:

Kari, the problem is not in the NTSC standard.

welllll, not completely. PAL is more likely to give an image in the correct colours. Since digital satellite went live the signal is compressed to ridiculous tidbits and still it comes out sort of ok.

btw:

Here's something not worth own thread but what I want to say. If I misunderstood the point of this thread, I sincerely ask the OP to tell it to me and I will delete this post.

In view of the identity of the OP sincerely asking him something doesn't get you anywhere.
I guess Dwarf found a way to converse sincerely with him though

petrossa said:

... sort of ok.

I rest my case . Add to that the TV set to "Vivid" ...

DJG said:

I rest my case . Add to that the TV set to "Vivid" ...

vivid ouch. If anything the colours are overfed. I have to set tv to cold, and put all 3 colours to about 35 out of 100

What bites is the compression,mpeg3/4. You can see the artifacts;

The image when not moving to much is ok, if not you get a bit like the cleartype effect. Bit fuzzy around the edges and fast moving objects tend to pixelblock a bit.