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Windows 7: Dark Energy May Not Exist At All

19 Aug 2009   #41
Antman

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Muad Dib View Post
...Yet the humble ant uses the arch in constructing its underground habitats.
Et tu, Brutus? The ant is among the most noble of creatures. The arch they build is fractal.
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19 Aug 2009   #42
Muad Dib

XP Pro & Vista Home Premium (x86); Windows Ultimate 7600 x64 Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
Et tu, Brutus? The ant is among the most noble of creatures. The arch they build is fractal.
You misconstrue my intent sir. It was never my intent to demean the ant and its contribution to our world. I apologize. I should have placed quotes around the word "humble".

As to your well founded point, much of nature is fractal. It was "civilization" that "needed" the comfortable reassurance of "linearity".

Fractals are a fairly recent development in our civilization's efforts to mathematically model our natural environment. Am I correct? One more small step toward enlightenment?
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19 Aug 2009   #43
Antman

 

Yeah. I watched PBS, Hunting the Hidden Dimension, last night. Mandelbrot rocks. Another of the more highly advanced thinkers in human history ... dispossessed of what their contemporaries considered common sensibilities.
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19 Aug 2009   #44
Muad Dib

XP Pro & Vista Home Premium (x86); Windows Ultimate 7600 x64 Retail
 
 

I saw the previews of the show and have it recorded. Perhaps I can watch it tonight.

Public TV, History Channel and Nat Geo are some of my favorite channels.
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19 Aug 2009   #45
Antman

 

Just one word. Plastics.

I mean, Hulu Desktop.
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20 Aug 2009   #46
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

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This assumes the ability to use reason.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Muad Dib View Post
The arch, when used in construction, is considered to be an indicator of a more advance technology in pre-history civilizations by some historians. Yet the humble ant uses the arch in constructing its underground habitats.

Did the ant develop the arch through reason or by a Darwinian trial and error process of evolution?

Should the earth be visited by alien archaeologists a million years from now and the human species has all gone to meet its maker, what will they hypothesize about us?
My bad, I should've used the term "higher reason"; I lose interest when someone throws Darwin at me, a person that didn't have enough b.... to defend his own theory later in life after he'd had time to re-visit what he'd said.

Oh well, this was a good discussion while it lasted.
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20 Aug 2009   #47
Muad Dib

XP Pro & Vista Home Premium (x86); Windows Ultimate 7600 x64 Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
My bad, I should've used the term "higher reason"; I lose interest when someone throws Darwin at me, a person that didn't have enough b.... to defend his own theory later in life after he'd had time to re-visit what he'd said.

Oh well, this was a good discussion while it lasted.
Did Darwin not have the b**** to defend his theory or did he just want to keep his b**** much as Galileo did in 1632.

Moot point really as it was and is the scientific community that, eventually, validates, or invalidatesm, any proposed theory.
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20 Aug 2009   #48
creison

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (7600 RTM OEM).
 
 
Jo Maqueijo

Hello staff,
The THEORIA of Jo Maqueijo simply explains what the THEORIA of inflation can not.
I'm not saying that he is right.
but if he is wrong I want to see who in contrast to evidence-based formulas.
Maybe not so distant future we have the answer.
The truth is that EMC stops from here !
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEPIcjAPo2s&videos=Kf4P8ZXHb9c&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1"]YouTube - 1of5_Joao Magueijo's Big Bang[/ame]

Peace!
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20 Aug 2009   #49
Antman

 

Perhaps, Galileo was wrong. Of course, maybe we have never been to the moon, so...


Also, from Publisher: Catholic Apologetics Publishing by Robert Sungenis
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20 Aug 2009   #50
smarteyeball

 
 

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Experts in advanced mathematics have recently proposed a new model to explain...
As undeniably interesting, and impressively computed and calculated as all these theories are - they are still just theories.

It is a never ending quest to seek ultimately unattainable answers.

Just like religion, science also uses arbitrarily delineated points in an attempt to provide an explanation that aims to comfort, or satisfy mankinds thirst for knowledge.

It's (subjectively) easy to draw a line, mark one point as the start, the other as the finish and then fill in the middle with explanations based on mathematics, speculation, sheer fancy or a mixture of all.

However, if those arbitrarily selected points are wrong to begin with, then all the complicated formulas or smoothly delivered sermons, no matter how well calculated, or how reasonable sounding they seem, will make what is invariably wrong, right.

As intertwined as religion and science are (much more than some care to acknowledge), the divergence of the two is that the latter is generally more willing to accept that it's theories are wrong and continually seek to adapt and adjust to new facts.

Either way, it's a fun and interesting ride seeking answers. But just like the bible, don't take scientific theories as gospel
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