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Windows 7: Woman Blames Dell, Ubuntu for Missing Two Semesters of College

17 Jan 2009   #21
Gilbertpwns

Windows 7 64bit/Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit
 
 

And she wouldn't bother asking people how to use Ubuntu? You cant be in college with that kind of sense.

Plus she could have researched info on how to use it, a critical skill in college these days. She could have resorted to library computers if the laptop situation couldn't be fixed.
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17 Jan 2009   #22
johngalt

 

Sigh.

When your teacher tells you you need M$ Word, and you're virtually computer literate, are you going to step up and say "I have OO.o can I use it?"

Also, *do* be aware that Technical colleges are considered lower on the hierarchy than community colleges....

Finally, she got the machine right before school started - I mean, how much can you research when it comes to using a *completely* new OS and completely *new* Office suite?

Remember, she is not me, nor you, nor any other technically savvy person - she is a *novice* - and people seem to keep forgetting what it is like to be when you're just learning about them.

She may have computer experience, but it is *easy* surmise that she has never ever run *nix in her life.

Now, care to explain to her how she is going to not only learn the material in the classes she was taking, *plus* research on her own on how to adapt that learning to a *nix system?

Care to tell me just how fast she'll learn how to answer questions 1 - 3 that I posted up there?

Have you all *really* forgotten what it is like to be a computer novitiate?
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17 Jan 2009   #23
johngalt

 

I mean, for crying out loud! Sites like this one exist *because* people don't know the simplest things....

We aren't always in here answering technical questions about how the OS code breaks in line 2351234563 of module 34, we are answering (many times repeatedly, hence the tutorials) how to do the simplest things....

So, is every one in here asking for help an idiot? Stupid? Dumb?

I didn't think so.
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17 Jan 2009   #24
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gilbertpwns View Post
And she wouldn't bother asking people how to use Ubuntu? You cant be in college with that kind of sense.

Plus she could have researched info on how to use it, a critical skill in college these days. She could have resorted to library computers if the laptop situation couldn't be fixed.
hello gillbert

as with most people she dreads the day where she would have to use the command prompt to do something.....

its for people like her that a gui was thought out (also for simplicity but you get my point...also not trying to be rude to the non computer illiterate)

i know (well in my college) that only about 20% have even heard of ubuntu (even less of linux... remember i said heard not use...)

although the gui is there in linux
anyone who has setup a linux box will know that at some point in time you will have to input commands in the console to get it something working (which is the not the case in windows)

as for the college thing i think that she would not have bother (which is the reason why she chose online classes [so that she could stay at home])

not vouching for her but more of that it was both her fault (for not demanding a different computer or her money....) and Dell (dell rep is POS as you might see above with the comment...)
i simply see that dell wanted to show figures that ubuntu is selling and that OSS can be solution (which im not saying no its not since i use OpenSuSe myself) i am just saying that they have to be told in

HUGE RED LETTERS THAT XP OR VISTA IS NOT LOADED IN THIS COMPUTER....


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
Sigh.

When your teacher tells you you need M$ Word, and you're virtually computer literate, are you going to step up and say "I have OO.o can I use it?"

Also, *do* be aware that Technical colleges are considered lower on the hierarchy than community colleges....

Finally, she got the machine right before school started - I mean, how much can you research when it comes to using a *completely* new OS and completely *new* Office suite?

Remember, she is not me, nor you, nor any other technically savvy person - she is a *novice* - and people seem to keep forgetting what it is like to be when you're just learning about them.

She may have computer experience, but it is *easy* surmise that she has never ever run *nix in her life.

Now, care to explain to her how she is going to not only learn the material in the classes she was taking, *plus* research on her own on how to adapt that learning to a *nix system?

Care to tell me just how fast she'll learn how to answer questions 1 - 3 that I posted up there?

Have you all *really* forgotten what it is like to be a computer novitiate?

damm got beaten to the punch....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
I mean, for crying out loud! Sites like this one exist *because* people don't know the simplest things....

We aren't always in here answering technical questions about how the OS code breaks in line 2351234563 of module 34, we are answering (many times repeatedly, hence the tutorials) how to do the simplest things....

So, is every one in here asking for help an idiot? Stupid? Dumb?

I didn't think so.

lmao
i dont think so too...
i think of it as more as that this is not their area of expertise....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
Heh - I resemble that remark....



*us* two - don't leave me hangin like dat, yo!
rolfmao...

i never thought you were that young...lol
i would never leave you hanging if i knew in advance....
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17 Jan 2009   #25
smarteyeball

 
 

I know I've made a couple of quips at this poor girls expense, but in all honesty i do feel sorry for her.

Once she realised her error about ubuntu, it should have been a simple case that she contact Dell, pay the extra for Windows products and be on her merry way.

If you aren't familiar with MS products, how can you be expected to even know what Ubuntu is, let alone use it?

Her biggest mistake was probably just looking at the overall price and she went for the cheaper option, not realizing her mistake.

One thing is for certain, she'll never be a *nix convert now
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17 Jan 2009   #26
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post

One thing is for certain, she'll never be a *nix convert now
we can both smell it....

oh well one less soul to convert to open source...

i would actually be surprised if she converts to MAC....
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17 Jan 2009   #27
johngalt

 

I wouldn't be so sure- the TV station has worked with her extensively to understand Linux, and the school is willing to accept her papers as long as she produces them in a format that is Word compatible - which OO.o can do.

I *will* bet even money that she never, ever *ever* buys a Dell again.
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17 Jan 2009   #28
Gilbertpwns

Windows 7 64bit/Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
Sigh.

When your teacher tells you you need M$ Word, and you're virtually computer literate, are you going to step up and say "I have OO.o can I use it?"

Also, *do* be aware that Technical colleges are considered lower on the hierarchy than community colleges....

Finally, she got the machine right before school started - I mean, how much can you research when it comes to using a *completely* new OS and completely *new* Office suite?

Remember, she is not me, nor you, nor any other technically savvy person - she is a *novice* - and people seem to keep forgetting what it is like to be when you're just learning about them.

She may have computer experience, but it is *easy* surmise that she has never ever run *nix in her life.

Now, care to explain to her how she is going to not only learn the material in the classes she was taking, *plus* research on her own on how to adapt that learning to a *nix system?

Care to tell me just how fast she'll learn how to answer questions 1 - 3 that I posted up there?

Have you all *really* forgotten what it is like to be a computer novitiate?
I'm in CC myself.

I mean she atleast has to understand how to use a browser and a word processing program, or she would not buy a laptop at all. Stemming from that she should have gone and asked somebody or researched on a windows pc what to do. Yes there was a time when I didnt know how to use computers (10 years old) but I would not just completely give up on it and waste the money I spent on the laptop and school. I would have asked for help, which she is VERY capable of doing now apparently.
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17 Jan 2009   #29
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
I wouldn't be so sure- the TV station has worked with her extensively to understand Linux, and the school is willing to accept her papers as long as she produces them in a format that is Word compatible - which OO.o can do.

I *will* bet even money that she never, ever *ever* buys a Dell again.
well that you can be sure...

as for the linux you raise i question there...
it depends if she is to fight it and is able to return the system....
then i see that she will never go the linux way (also if she has a ipod and wants seamlessly integrate it with her machine good luck)

if she does keep it and does try hard to use it then only then i can see a linux conversion (to a point though...)...

since this is her first computer (from what i can see) then it is easier...

if she had a desktop (which has windows vista or xp) then i more inclined that she wont convert...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gilbertpwns View Post
I'm in CC myself.

I mean she atleast has to understand how to use a browser and a word processing program, or she would not buy a laptop at all. Stemming from that she should have gone and asked somebody or researched on a windows pc what to do. Yes there was a time when I didnt know how to use computers (10 years old) but I would not just completely give up on it and waste the money I spent on the laptop and school. I would have asked for help, which she is VERY capable of doing now apparently.
but were not talking about someone who want to learn....

she wants something that works OOB....

thats what most clients come to me for (well not all more like 55%....)

i say i got a license for office for this much (thorough academic licence) and tell them i can sell it to you for so and so (it works since most of the time the office that i usually get is licensed for up to 3 computers and that includes that if it ever stops working i can be there to fix it at almost no charge (do have to have to have spending money....lol)

i have sometimes the case where a customer comes in with a EEE PC and tells me that what can i do to make it look and work like xp....

most users can differentiate between ubuntu or xp apart from the GUI and think that someone screwed with it....

then i tell them that this is a different OS from xp and they freak and give me a face like if i was speaking chinese...(no offense...)
most people only know windows and mac and thats it....

i wish linux would stand behind a open standard (i know the kernel is standard but i mean like based on standard code and that wont change dramtically on every kernel update which is a nightmare for devs)
but i mean a standard and each of the distros to customize those little bits that wont affect dev and ISV's....
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17 Jan 2009   #30
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by darkassain View Post
she wants something that works OOB....
Wouldn't that be a MAC? heh, heh


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by darkassain View Post
i wish linux would stand behind a open standard
lol, true. I also wish that at least one of the GUI menus actually implemented the change that was requested instead of trying multiple places only to end up at the terminal
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