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Windows 7: Woman Blames Dell, Ubuntu for Missing Two Semesters of College

17 Jan 2009   #31
darkassain

Windows 7 Ult x64(x2), HomePrem x32(x4), Server 08 (+VM), 08 R2 (VM) , SuSe 11.2 (VM), XP 32 (VM)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
Wouldn't that be a MAC? heh, heh
yep what i meant here

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by darkassain View Post

i would actually be surprised if she converts to MAC....
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
lol, true. I also wish that at least one of the GUI menus actually implemented the change that was requested instead of trying multiple places only to end up at the terminal
yes then that would be something endusers would actually think about using...
though devs would still want to "sell" apps and for the love of god dont even speak of letting everyone see the source code....(it would be taboo) and then all the linux fanboys will hate you for not being able to look at the code and compile it themselves....(i would actually think that they would boycott it....)
i know i wouldnt (since i am going around that kind of realm)
i dont see that ending anytime because this is how fundamentally a capitalist society/system works...
damm getting into politics ill stop here....
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17 Jan 2009   #32
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by darkassain View Post
i dont see that ending anytime because this is how fundamentally a capitalist society/system works...
damm getting into politics ill stop here....
True. Imagine a fascist OS though. "You will click here and only here. There are serious penalties for not clicking here"...... hang on...that already sounds familiar
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17 Jan 2009   #33
johngalt

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Gilbertpwns View Post
I'm in CC myself.

I mean she atleast has to understand how to use a browser and a word processing program, or she would not buy a laptop at all. Stemming from that she should have gone and asked somebody or researched on a windows pc what to do. Yes there was a time when I didnt know how to use computers (10 years old) but I would not just completely give up on it and waste the money I spent on the laptop and school. I would have asked for help, which she is VERY capable of doing now apparently.
And that is the *very* first thing that I mentioned. She is not blameless - but once the ball got rolling Dell did not help the matter at all, and if this had happened to you when you were 10, you'd have had a lot more time to 'research' and figure it out - but if you knew now what you knew then *and* are in community college (and this assumes that you also, then, have a day job) are you *really* going to have *any* sort of time to dedicate to learning a new OS?

I believe that the answer to that question is a resounding "No".

Besides, she *did* ask for help - she initially made contact with the television station through their technical help page, where the staff and bloggers at the station offer technology - related help to their readers and viewers in an online fashion.

I'd say that is 'asking for help'.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by darkassain View Post
well that you can be sure...

as for the linux you raise i question there...
it depends if she is to fight it and is able to return the system....
then i see that she will never go the linux way (also if she has a ipod and wants seamlessly integrate it with her machine good luck)

if she does keep it and does try hard to use it then only then i can see a linux conversion (to a point though...)...

since this is her first computer (from what i can see) then it is easier...

if she had a desktop (which has windows vista or xp) then i more inclined that she wont convert...



but were not talking about someone who want to learn....

she wants something that works OOB....

thats what most clients come to me for (well not all more like 55%....)

i say i got a license for office for this much (thorough academic licence) and tell them i can sell it to you for so and so (it works since most of the time the office that i usually get is licensed for up to 3 computers and that includes that if it ever stops working i can be there to fix it at almost no charge (do have to have to have spending money....lol)

i have sometimes the case where a customer comes in with a EEE PC and tells me that what can i do to make it look and work like xp....

most users can differentiate between ubuntu or xp apart from the GUI and think that someone screwed with it....

then i tell them that this is a different OS from xp and they freak and give me a face like if i was speaking chinese...(no offense...)
most people only know windows and mac and thats it....

i wish linux would stand behind a open standard (i know the kernel is standard but i mean like based on standard code and that wont change dramtically on every kernel update which is a nightmare for devs)
but i mean a standard and each of the distros to customize those little bits that wont affect dev and ISV's....
A couple of points - this may be the first computer she has *owned* but she went on Dell's site assuming that all computers came with Windows, etc. so she has had *some* experience with them in the past, would be my guess.

Also, no matter how much cheaper, faster, safer, and better *nix is, it is not something that you just try out without a backup plan - and *especially* if you are a novice.

I am beginning to think if experts have gotten so jaded that they have lost touch with the fact that a novitiate is not only not experienced in using a computer - there is also the fact that a novice won't be nearly as familiar with running complex queries in a browser at a search portal, will not be familiar with things like the command line, will not be familiar with things like signing up at a forum and asking questions, knowing how long to wait, whether it is OK to type in all capital letters, etc.

A novitiate is not *just an inexperienced person* when it comes to computers - that person has not done a lot of *computing* either. All these processes that we take for granted as being second nature to us - she won't know them. All these skills that are more familiar to us than (almost) breathing - she won't have learned.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by darkassain View Post
yep what i meant here





yes then that would be something endusers would actually think about using...
though devs would still want to "sell" apps and for the love of god dont even speak of letting everyone see the source code....(it would be taboo) and then all the linux fanboys will hate you for not being able to look at the code and compile it themselves....(i would actually think that they would boycott it....)
i know i wouldnt (since i am going around that kind of realm)
i dont see that ending anytime because this is how fundamentally a capitalist society/system works...
damm getting into politics ill stop here....
lol - this ain't the office - that is not a taboo subject....
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17 Jan 2009   #34
Gilbertpwns

Windows 7 64bit/Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit
 
 

She isn't going to need to learn how to use wine to play games. She just needs word processing and a browser. Not too much time to learn how to use that.

When she contacted for help the classes already ended.
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18 Jan 2009   #35
johngalt

 

Sorry, buy you have forgotten what it is like to be a novice user. She was told by her school / class that she needed M$ Word. She was given a Windows disc for installing her Verizon wireless access.

You expecting her to have knowledge and skills to learn on the fly on how to do things is pretty outrageous.
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18 Jan 2009   #36
garysgold

Vista Ult 64 bit Seven Ult RTM x64
 
 

My very first computer was a Dell (1995). Thought it was a pretty good company. This computer is a Dell. Won't ever get another one.

Gary
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19 Jan 2009   #37
Gilbertpwns

Windows 7 64bit/Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit
 
 

She could have asked for a refund and then bought a windows laptop.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
Sorry, buy you have forgotten what it is like to be a novice user. She was told by her school / class that she needed M$ Word. She was given a Windows disc for installing her Verizon wireless access.

You expecting her to have knowledge and skills to learn on the fly on how to do things is pretty outrageous.
Yes I was a novice before, but I was also a little kid. She may not know much about computers but she is an adult, she should know how to ask for help and such.
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20 Jan 2009   #38
johngalt

 

She *did* ask for a refund - Dell Customer Service convinced her to stick with the Ubuntu.

And I already said *and repeated* that she was definitely at fault for going this alone.
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