Free-Will or Determinism

Influx said:

Substantial evidence may be perceived differently. What makes you say I assume that we are puppets of a creator? Some people are too twisted with their minds, that they make up arbitrary assumptions, your implications are actually childish, do not pretend to be a supernatural person who can read minds. There is missing evidence with the idea of God, when you take the specific of religions, it starts to appear as a man-made social construct built by people convinced by their myths, it begins to make sense. In no other discourse is faith a valid substitute for reason, or fact, or logic, except religion.

LOL.. What makes you say that my implications are "childish"? That's a personal opinion which should be true to all.

Where did I ever pretend to be a supernatural person 'who can read minds'?

You came this far to assume that we are puppets of a creator which hasn't yet been proven to exist?

It is blatantly clear that my statements do literally suggests the absurdity with faith in God which is opposite and incompatible with the imaginary things you're trying to oppose.

I just gave out my personal opinion without disturbing anyone. You assumptions are simply incoherent with the main topic here, starting from 'free will' going to "God".

Neither are provable/dis-provable and both have ramifications far beyond comprehension. The main difference is the leading questions. ie A God vs no God, linear vs cyclic time and so on and so forth.

Having mentioned the question concerning the existence of God, that did contrast the perplex paradox of Free Will and Determinism. I don't intend to discuss religion which is clear, you seem to think that I have faith on it.

Btw this forum ain't a place to discuss about 'Gods' or Religion whatsoever.

8) No discussions of religion, politics, or firearms.

There is a fine line between a whole new thread of Religious Discussion, and a simple opinion in reply to what seb has mentioned. Quite curiously, you don't seem to notice why that isn't literally a discussion of such topic.

I don't want to argue with you, so I'll keep my mouth shut, and please be straightly on-topic.

Influx said:

Influx said:

Substantial evidence may be perceived differently. What makes you say I assume that we are puppets of a creator? Some people are too twisted with their minds, that they make up arbitrary assumptions, your implications are actually childish, do not pretend to be a supernatural person who can read minds. There is missing evidence with the idea of God, when you take the specific of religions, it starts to appear as a man-made social construct built by people convinced by their myths, it begins to make sense. In no other discourse is faith a valid substitute for reason, or fact, or logic, except religion.

LOL.. What makes you say that my implications are "childish"? That's a personal opinion which should be true to all.

Where did I ever pretend to be a supernatural person 'who can read minds'?

You came this far to assume that we are puppets of a creator which hasn't yet been proven to exist?

It is blatantly clear that my statements do literally suggests the absurdity with faith in God which is opposite and incompatible with the imaginary things you're trying to oppose.

I just gave out my personal opinion without disturbing anyone. You assumptions are simply incoherent with the main topic here, starting from 'free will' going to "God".

Neither are provable/dis-provable and both have ramifications far beyond comprehension. The main difference is the leading questions. ie A God vs no God, linear vs cyclic time and so on and so forth.

Having mentioned the question concerning the existence of God, that did contrast the perplex paradox of Free Will and Determinism. I don't intend to discuss religion which is clear, you seem to think that I have faith on it.

Btw this forum ain't a place to discuss about 'Gods' or Religion whatsoever.

8) No discussions of religion, politics, or firearms.

There is a fine line between a whole new thread of Religious Discussion, and a simple opinion in reply to what seb has mentioned. Quite curiously, you don't seem to notice why that isn't literally a discussion of such topic.

I don't want to argue with you, so I'll keep my mouth shut, and please be straightly on-topic.

That's a personal opinion which should be true to all.

So what makes you say that? Do you even have proof or just you implied that based on your current distorted vision of things? You're just assuming but your assumptions about me are totally incorrect. You seem to judge people too quickly.

It is blatantly clear that my statements do literally suggests the absurdity with faith in God which is opposite and incompatible with the imaginary things you're trying to oppose.

Trying to oppose? I don't have anything against your supposedly 'valid' statements, you're just simply going off topic with all that stuff knowing that it'll lead to a 'creator' of some sort.

Having mentioned the question concerning the existence of God, that did contrast the perplex paradox of Free Will and Determinism. I don't intend to discuss religion which is clear, you seem to think that I have faith on it.

This discussion will go nowhere, it'll just end with the assumption that "We don't have any kind of free will, this is rather 'dictated' by some superior being''.

So what makes you say that? Do you even have proof or just you implied that based on your current distorted vision of things? You're just assuming but your assumptions about me are totally incorrect. You seem to judge people too quickly. Since you said that I assume that we are puppets of a creator, that isn't true, I am simply suggesting the unreasonability of assuming so.

Trying to oppose? I don't have anything against your supposedly 'valid' statements, you're just simply going off topic with all that stuff knowing that it'll lead to a 'creator' of some sort. I simply said that there is missing evidence with God, that is in contrast to what seb said about the leading questions.

This discussion will go nowhere, it'll just end with the assumption that "We don't have any kind of free will, this is rather 'dictated' by some superior being''. I agree with ya (that it will go to no conclusion). However, the discussion was supposedly to end up with the lack of circumstantial evidence between both sides (seb's topic), so we simply can't conclude anything except assume that both are possible. Have a good day

It seems that some people are so closed minded, that any mention of God, in any context, makes them think that the discussion is of a religious ilk. Regardless of anyone's belief or disbelief in anything of this type, they can't claim to be open minded, unless they are capable of talking about it at some level...scientifically, philosophically, or in whatever fashion they feel most comfortable with. When the bare mention of anything of this nature sets a person off, it would seem that they must have some kind of belief that they don't want to discuss or acknowledge, even to themselves.

So if anyone want to blast me in this fashion, feel free, because it is obvious that this thread is going nowhere, and I have better things to do than go along for the ride.

Perhaps, the concept of Determinism is offensive, diametrical and counter intuitive to our understanding, specifically with the implication that the universe is a linear clock, that things are preordained by nature. I am assuming that the reason why the Free Will option in the Poll did get 6 is either because of religious belief or misunderstanding. I'd like to clarify the fact that Determinism is not predicated on the fact that our Wants and Preferences are illusionary. Wants and Preferences are embedded in our biological body, this isn't a spiritual, or a supernatural thing. Hence, it isn't absurd to think of it having a linear path. Both determinism and free will suggests that our Wants and Preference are true, while, free will raises an extra idea that they have no rational basis. The concept in free will, that things are not preordained, suggests an irrational basis, possibly suggesting randomness which could only be the compatible definition of non-preordainment. In conclusion, determinism does not say that you have no want and preferences, it clearly says that your decisions and actions will be based on that, thus, the idea itself is raised.

kronckew said:

i was going to vote for free will, but something made me vote otherwise.

didn't they make a movie about 'free will'? starred a whale or something.

or was it a porn film, 'free willy'?

-this post was written by schroedinger's cat - me - my human servant is too thick to think of this stuff, and has the attention span of a goldfish...now if i could only get out of this box.

Free Willy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Seems unrelated.
Your humor is out of this world

free will is like free speech..its an illusion.