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Windows 7: Any electricians in the house?

28 Mar 2019   #1
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Any electricians in the house?

I have a wall outlet that seems like it bit the dust. Well, the breaker tripped. Looking at the outlet I can see some brown chair on the outside where a nightlight was plugged in. I don't know how this happened seen as how a nightlight doesn't consume that much amperage, but the outlet is very old. I have a tracer for locating circuit breakers but that requires power so since the breaker is off I can't use that. So I'm going to buy a toner and see if the line is good. Now I have a question. Can I check for continuity with my DMM and make damn sure the wires which are aluminum didn't fuse somewhere in the circuit? I'm thinking there should be no continuity, but if there is then I'm thinking the wires are fused or touching somewhere in the circuit. Is that correct? Will this be an issue testing for continuity with the breaker? Again, the breaker is off and it will remain off until I can diagnose this and replace the wall outlet.
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29 Mar 2019   #2
ranett

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

With the breaker switched off, replacing the outlet would be the easy thing to do.
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29 Mar 2019   #3
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Since your house was wired with aluminum, you need to hire an electrician to check the wiring in your house, then pigtail the wiring at all the outlets, switches, etc. with copper pigtails. These pigtails need to be fastened to the aluminum wiring with crimp connectors filled with an aluminum to copper anti-oxidizing compound. The crimp sleeves need to be crimped with a special crimper and needs to be done by a licensed electrician. THIS IS NOT A DIY JOB! You need to get this done before your house burns down!
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31 Mar 2019   #4
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I'm just going to use the Duplex ALR wall outlets rather than the pigtail solution. I'll also use the anti-oxidation grease just for the hell of it. I'm going to buy a new toner to test the line and make sure nothing got fused and then use my DMM to check continuity as well.

I do have some electrical experience.
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01 Apr 2019   #5
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by F22 Simpilot View Post
I'm just going to use the Duplex ALR wall outlets rather than the pigtail solution. I'll also use the anti-oxidation grease just for the hell of it. I'm going to buy a new toner to test the line and make sure nothing got fused and then use my DMM to check continuity as well.

I do have some electrical experience.
Your response tells me you do not have enough electrical experience for this (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing). For starters, the CO/ALR outlets are just a stopgap measure at best, not an actual solution. Also, outets are only a portion of the overall problem. What about switches? Connections at junction boxes? The breakers? Ceiling fixtures, etc? I know it will be expensive but you need to hire a licensed electrician who will know where and how to look for problems and fix them properly. Again, this is NOT a DIY situation!

Something else to consider. If your house does burn down and the fire department's post mortem determines the fire was caused by a home repair, the insurance company may refuse your claim, assuming you were still around to make the claim.
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01 Apr 2019   #6
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I've been in contact with an electrician on another forum about this and he said I could go the pigtail route or the Duplex ALR wall outlet route.

Yes, I know that if a fire investigator finds it was my fault I'd be responsible. But I simply DO NOT have thousands of dollars on hand and I do have electrical experience since I was 19. I'm now 38. Granted not at a professional level.

I have bought a toner and another device to verify the wiring along with the Duplex ALR wall outlets and grease. I'll also use my DMM to verify wiring as well as the toner and wiring check device who's name I can't remember.

I went to a place called Job Corp where I was going to take up electrical. Long story short the teacher wasn't there since he was a drunk, but one student who was on his way to completion was surprised at my electrical knowledge and wanted to help me until a teacher showed up. I frowned on it and took up welding instead. Though I don't weld because it's simply too hazardous. Now I really wish I took up electrical.

I'll do some research and re-ask whether the Duplex ALR outlets are the way to go or the pigtail route. The pigtail route is really no different. You mentioned they use crimps, but they are in fact wiring nuts filled with that grease.
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02 Apr 2019   #7
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by F22 Simpilot View Post
I've been in contact with an electrician on another forum about this and he said I could go the pigtail route or the Duplex ALR wall outlet route.

Yes, I know that if a fire investigator finds it was my fault I'd be responsible. But I simply DO NOT have thousands of dollars on hand and I do have electrical experience since I was 19. I'm now 38. Granted not at a professional level.

I have bought a toner and another device to verify the wiring along with the Duplex ALR wall outlets and grease. I'll also use my DMM to verify wiring as well as the toner and wiring check device who's name I can't remember.

I went to a place called Job Corp where I was going to take up electrical. Long story short the teacher wasn't there since he was a drunk, but one student who was on his way to completion was surprised at my electrical knowledge and wanted to help me until a teacher showed up. I frowned on it and took up welding instead. Though I don't weld because it's simply too hazardous. Now I really wish I took up electrical.

I'll do some research and re-ask whether the Duplex ALR outlets are the way to go or the pigtail route. The pigtail route is really no different. You mentioned they use crimps, but they are in fact wiring nuts filled with that grease.
They make compound filled wire nuts but that is NOT what you are supposed to use to make pigtails; the aluminum can still cold flow enough to cause a high resistance connection which will heat up and can cause a fire. Compression crimp sleeves are needed and they need to be compressed, not just staked, around the wires. That requires an expensive compression tool and the knowledge how to use it.

You asked for advice; I gave it to you. I'm not an electrician--I'm color blind--but I worked in the trade for 30 years so I'm not just talking through my turban. I can't make you follow my advice so you are on your own.
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02 Apr 2019   #8
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I did some research and you're correct on the proper use of the pigtail and those crimps using that very expensive crimp tool. Problem is, I don't have the money to do it properly. I'm hoping it's just the wall outlet that bit the dust and not internal wire damage. That's why I want to check for continuity, etc.

The whole damn house is like 75% AL wired. It would be what? 10k to have it all rewired? My parents live pay check to pay check and certainly can't afford it. I would have NEVER bought this house EVER! Moment I seen it I was like, nope, have a new one built.

Though, this subdivision and many house here in town were built in the mid 60's to mid 70's when AL wire was used. I haven't seen too many house fires because of the AL wiring, but I also know it's not out of the realm of possibility.

It really sucks and not only is it depressing the F out of me, but freaking me out. I utterly hate this house. Built in '72 and it's shit!

Now they don't make parts for our very old furnace and if the heat exchanger goes we be screwed! New furnace is a minimum of 3 grand. I have installed a couple CO monitors just in case. And I have smoke alarms and three fire extinguishers. I try to always prepare for the unfathomable. Just like your Sig, I never ever use RAID for a backup and all my stuff is cloned and encrypted in external drives stored in fire proof safes. Plus the important stuff is also thrown on Amazon S3, Blu-ray and DVD/RW. LOL
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02 Apr 2019   #9
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

While paying someone to pigtail the wiring in your house would be costly, pigtailing would probably be less expensive than paying someone to rewire the entire house with copper. However, complete rewiriing is in the realm of a DIYer dependng on how the house is built (which determines how accessible the wiring is) and local building codes (some locales prohibit electrical work except by licensed electricians).

If you did decide to a DIY rewire, do it the legal way and get a permit for it. The permit costs money and it's a pain in the neck to deal with inspections but the permitting and inspections are there to protect you as well as the local government. If you do something wrong, the inspectors won't pass the job until you do it right. Unless you live in an obtuse jurisdiction, the building department where you apply for the permit will give you some advice on what pitfalls to avoid. Same with most inspectors; they will happliy advise you on what went wrong and how to fix it if you approach them correctly and without attitude. The biggest plus for getting a permit for the job is, if the house should burn down, you won't have to wory about if it was your wiring that was the cause and having the insuance company deny the claim. Some will deny the claim, even if the wiring wasn't at fault, if they find out you did a bootleg job (no permit).

I have some concerns that part of your home is wired with copper. When aluminum wiring was the craze, hoes were wired either with all alumium or all copper, not a mix of both. The fact that 25% of your house is wired with copper suggests the copper may have been bootlegged since many, if not most, local codes require that if you make any improvements to the electrical system (such as adding circuits), you have to bring the entire electrical system up to code. Some jurisdictions didn't even allow pigtailing or were really obtuse and required all systems--structural, electrical, plumbing, heating, etc.--be brought up to code.

With all your aging and dangerous systems, you might be better off selling and moving. Home ownership is a wonderful thing that saves, or even makes, money in the long run but a money pit is not (I had one; I was happy to get rid of that one even though it took a divorce to do it).
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03 Apr 2019   #10
RoWin7

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

He has one bad outlet and you're up to selling the house? Let him replace the outlet and see what happens.
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