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Windows 7: mininova.org limits it's activities.....

27 Nov 2009   #31
Lee

Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11
 
 

It's not my fault I steal from others, its the greedy governments fault, its the greedy corporations fault, it can never be my fault. Darn I work hard to down load illegal stuff. Hell, who do they think they are taking away my right to steal from others it just isn't right.

Why should they come after me they are the ones who are in the wrong.
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27 Nov 2009   #32
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lee View Post
It's not my fault I steal from others, its the greedy governments fault, its the greedy corporations fault, it can never be my fault. Darn I work hard to down load illegal stuff. Hell, who do they think they are taking away my right to steal from others it just isn't right.

Why should they come after me they are the ones who are in the wrong.
...and this is were we see the grey line...

There are two types of folks who pirate...the ones who can afford the software but feel that they shouldn't have to pay and/or feel that the software companies owe them the software...and the ones that can't afford the software but they have a need/desire for said software...

Is it wrong to steal? Yes...is it wrong to charge overbearing prices for some software (many companies do this...no one can argue this point...)Yes...

What caused software to get so high? The pirates or corporate greed...which came first...the chicken or the egg?
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28 Nov 2009   #33
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
What caused software to get so high? The pirates or corporate greed...which came first...the chicken or the egg?
I hate that metaphor. It was the egg. After all, the thing that laid the egg was not quite a chicken, it was the chickens closest ancestor that laid the slightly mutated egg that we know as a chicken.

Anyways, I always wanted a good reason to say that.

In this case, Corporate Greed (yes, it is capitalized) is the egg, pirating the chicken.

As long as there are corporations, there will be piracy. The way they set all of this up, it just leads to piracy.
Look at it this way: a dollar a song is not too bad right?
What if you want to buy 1000 songs.....? Ouch...

~Lordbob
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28 Nov 2009   #34
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
What caused software to get so high? The pirates or corporate greed...which came first...the chicken or the egg?
I hate that metaphor. It was the egg. After all, the thing that laid the egg was not quite a chicken, it was the chickens closest ancestor that laid the slightly mutated egg that we know as a chicken.

Anyways, I always wanted a good reason to say that.

In this case, Corporate Greed (yes, it is capitalized) is the egg, pirating the chicken.

As long as there are corporations, there will be piracy. The way they set all of this up, it just leads to piracy.
Look at it this way: a dollar a song is not too bad right?
What if you want to buy 1000 songs.....? Ouch...

~Lordbob
Depending on your beliefs...it is indeed the egg

That metaphor fits perfectly here (whether you liked it or not...)...no one has a concrete answer as to which was the true cause of mass piracy. Corporate Greed or Consumer Greed?
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28 Nov 2009   #35
Lee

Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11
 
 

If I were to take a guess the greed would be split 30-70. Seventy percent for the pirates and thirty percent for the corporations.

The one thing we forget is the cost to produce a product; companies have overhead, and in some cases it is quite a bit more than some think. Pirates do not take into consideration what a company goes through to put out a product. Nor do they care it is all about getting what they can without thought of payment.

The argument that someone doesn't make enough money qualifies them to pirate software is unwarranted. Just because a song is $1.00 and you want one-thousand is not a good debate tactic especially considering the songs can be purchased over time. How many people really are looking for a thousand songs at any given time.

This is a debate that can never be won in the forum of debates. It can only be won by establishing laws and guidelines then enforcing those laws. And, those who choose to break these laws need to understand without argument that they will be punished.
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28 Nov 2009   #36
Lebon14

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

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After piratebay mininova is the target !!! Next what ?
Isoh***? Probably. This is sad. They take everyone for banks with unlimited funds where we have to pay 20$ for an artist's album where there is only ONE good song. This is rediculous.
You can download one good song 99cents from Amazon.com or Rhapsody.
https://realstore.rhapsody.com/rhaps...4-9EC30DF668D6
Hello~~ This is for US customers only! And, I'm audiophile... I love Junodownload for that :P Well, that's for electronic music. Haha. The rest is iTunes. But, I believe that I buy only what I like and I like to download what I'm not sure of.
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28 Nov 2009   #37
clunkfish

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
The point of this post is to say that one shouldn't necessarily stop doing something just because it's deemed "illegal" - and many of the freedoms enjoyed by people today were won by people protesting and breaking obviously unjust laws at the time - often at severe penalties to themselves such as jail and worse.
Well that's the point isn't it - they suffered severe penalties. Without such sanctions there would be anarchy. Avoiding illegal behaviour is one's democratic duty, and it's only when what is deemed illegal seems to be at odds with democracy that we have a moral question to answer - should we break the law for the greater good? It's difficult to see how nicking stuff via P2P is defensible in terms of protecting democratic principles...
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28 Nov 2009   #38
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Much as I disagree with the idiots d/l ing tons of movies and songs, there is a severe danger to personal liberty here.

Laws only have relevance if the population supports them .

If the population makes it clear they will not put up with it - it will be repealed.

Unfortunately, too many of us just shrug our shoulders and mutter, many more are completely unaware of what is going on.

We are sleepwalking into an Orwellian hell.
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28 Nov 2009   #39
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Much as I disagree with the idiots d/l ing tons of movies and songs, there is a severe danger to personal liberty here.

Laws only have relevance if the population supports them .

If the population makes it clear they will not put up with it - it will be repealed.

Unfortunately, too many of us just shrug our shoulders and mutter, many more are completely unaware of what is going on.

We are sleepwalking into an Orwellian hell.
Even more so in the US at present.
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28 Nov 2009   #40
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all

Thankgoodness some people DO fileshare -- think of many exposures of crimes in high places -- without journalists often at severe risk to themselves getting hold of "sensitive" material we could at times be very much worse off.

P2P per se isn't illegal and even if it were I can see cases where it could be used

For example if I buy a Movie for playing on a DVD player on a laptop and I'm in Europe - why should I have to put up with the B/S saying I can't play that movie whilst I'm visiting the US -- what's a laptop for -- MOBILE computing of course.

So I for one don't treat "bypassing regional encoding" for DVD's THAT I'VE PAID for a crime even if I have to get the cracks from "The Ship" or elsewhere.

Cheers
jimbo
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