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Windows 7: Walmart's Black Friday Rip-off

28 Nov 2009   #31
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
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This is going to be messy -runs-
*sigh*no kidding...after my last comment I abandon any further needless argument...

The proof of my prior comments is readily accessible...

+1, I think we beat the horse to death.
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28 Nov 2009   #32
pparks1

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AlexT2889 View Post
I work at Wal-Mart as full-time overnight Associate, I don't fall for all the BS that non-informers spew about Wal-Mart since it's a great store to work at.
Lets see, reasons why Walmart isn't so great
#1). Average wage for "associates" is $6.00 to $7.50 per hour. This places employees with a family below the poverty level
#2). Walmart is anti-union and instead want employees to take up complaints with upper management...where it can far more easily be ignored.
#3) Turnover rates of approx 70% within 1 year kinda speaks for itself.
#4). Full time employees who are eligible for health benefits often skip it (about 50% decline) as the employee has to pay 35%...which is about 2x the national average.
#5). Although they fly the made in the USA flag, about 85% comes from Chinese "sweatshops".
#6). Censorship of all music
#7). Participation in "dead peasants" insurance plans on employees.

Yeah, I don't like Walmart, I don't go to Walmart and I have no intention of changing my mind anytime soon. I'd rather go without.

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We are STILL hiring lots of people on a daily basis. That speaks for something good. Wal-Mart is the ONLY damn place hiring in my town of 10,000 people for god sakes.
Well, they run others out of business and pay next to nothing...so they have to rehire all of the time because people quit whenever they can find anything else. And with lower wages, they tend to bring down the local economy and bring neighborhoods and such down closer to the poverty level. Not too much to really be proud of there I'm afraid.
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28 Nov 2009   #33
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

The one thing about the last post there that rings a bell is pushing other retailers out by the one stop shop for everything concept at least with their SuperCenters which will include an auto repair shop as well as a food store. By undercutting the competition exventually other retailers lose too much business and either close up or relocate.

Another thing depends on how is managing which store since some are not well maintained as others! Plus you have the volume inventory problems mentioned before where once sold out always gone mentality for the next wholesale volume they decide to stock up with. I guess this thread covers all the grievances as well as the support from some!

With both sides heard the jury is now out!
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28 Nov 2009   #34
Adrian

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Uber Philf View Post
This is going to be messy -runs-
Thats why I build my own, LOL
Hey, wanna see my space shuttle pix?
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28 Nov 2009   #35
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

The real difference is quality and service. Wal Mart may have everything for cheap, but there is something lost in service. With a Mom and Pop shop, they know you and you know them. Maybe you get a small discount, but you know your helping a friend who does good work on your car (or w/e) and you trust them.

On the other hand, if you just want to go buy a box of Froot Loops, then it really doesn't matter.

~Lordbob
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29 Nov 2009   #36
smarteyeball

 
 

At least you guys get a Black Friday - the only "Black Friday" available here was for apple
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29 Nov 2009   #37
Uber Philf

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
At least you guys get a Black Friday - the only "Black Friday" available here was for apple
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29 Nov 2009   #38
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by smarteyeball View Post
At least you guys get a Black Friday - the only "Black Friday" available here was for apple
I feel bad for you.
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29 Nov 2009   #39
AlexT2889

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AlexT2889 View Post
I work at Wal-Mart as full-time overnight Associate, I don't fall for all the BS that non-informers spew about Wal-Mart since it's a great store to work at.
Lets see, reasons why Walmart isn't so great
#1). Average wage for "associates" is $6.00 to $7.50 per hour. This places employees with a family below the poverty level
#2). Walmart is anti-union and instead want employees to take up complaints with upper management...where it can far more easily be ignored.
#3) Turnover rates of approx 70% within 1 year kinda speaks for itself.
#4). Full time employees who are eligible for health benefits often skip it (about 50% decline) as the employee has to pay 35%...which is about 2x the national average.
#5). Although they fly the made in the USA flag, about 85% comes from Chinese "sweatshops".
#6). Censorship of all music
#7). Participation in "dead peasants" insurance plans on employees.

Yeah, I don't like Walmart, I don't go to Walmart and I have no intention of changing my mind anytime soon. I'd rather go without.
1: Says who? This is my first ever job and I'm 20 with high school diploma and I work in the Produce Department where I make $12.55 an hour. Pretty damn good I'd say.
2: Wal-Mart is anti-union for good reasons, why do you think American automobiles are so expensive? Because the companies have to pay the auto workers and pay retired workers for as long as they live. So they jack the prices up. If Wal-Mart was a union place, it wouldn't be CHEAP, do you want to spend more on products? or less? make up your mind, can't have both. Learn economics.
3: That health insurance rate is garbage, I have it and I don't pay not even CLOSE to that. I pay 3%.
4: Chinese sweatshops? so what? You can't possibly blame Wal-Mart for that. They don't make the products they sell, only "Great Value"/"Equate"/"MarketPlace" which almost all are straight from America or Canada. Blame the American government for raising taxes and tariffs to send our manufacturing jobs overseas.
5: Censorship of all music? what the hell does that mean? You mean music sold in the stores? I see all kinds of different genres available.

And good for you, make your little heart more "cool" that you don't shop at Wal-Mart. Get a life. One less arrogant customer I have to deal with during the twilight hours of the day.
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29 Nov 2009   #40
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AlexT2889 View Post
1: Says who? This is my first ever job and I'm 20 with high school diploma and I work in the Produce Department where I make $12.55 an hour. Pretty damn good I'd say.
I found supporting articles at Wake-Up Wal-Mart: The Real Wal-Mart Facts, PBS - STORE WARS: Wal-Mart Business Practices and books such as Amazon.com: Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price: Robert Greenwald: Movies & TV

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If Wal-Mart was a union place, it wouldn't be CHEAP, do you want to spend more on products? or less? make up your mind, can't have both. Learn economics.
Other stores in my area such as Meijer are members of the UFCW union and their prices are on par and inline with Walmart. And you don't have anti-Meijer books on Amazon.com as you do with Walmart. And I am confortable with my understanding of Economics as I have a bachelors degree in Business Administration with a major in Accounting.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AlexT2889 View Post
why do you think American automobiles are so expensive?
I wasn't aware that American automobiles were any more expensive than the foreign competition. To me they all seem equally expensive.


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3: That health insurance rate is garbage, I have it and I don't pay not even CLOSE to that. I pay 3%.
There must be confusion on what this number entails...as nobody pays as little as 3%. Maybe these will help shine some light on the matter;
Wake-Up Wal-Mart Blog: Wal-Mart's Health Care Is Still Inadequate

Maybe they are making strides here as suggested that they are onboard with the latest Obama ideas to get away from their previous negative opinion;
Wal-Mart backs employer health insurance mandate - USATODAY.com

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AlexT2889 View Post
4: Chinese sweatshops? so what? You can't possibly blame Wal-Mart for that. They don't make the products they sell, only "Great Value"/"Equate"/"MarketPlace" which almost all are straight from America or Canada. Blame the American government for raising taxes and tariffs to send our manufacturing jobs overseas.
So what??? Really. You care so little that you see nothing wrong with a company that claims to be "USA made"...but yet gets most of their goods from sweatshops.

The reason for using the sweatshops is not to ensure a low price for consumers...it's there to ensure high profits at any cost. At the end of the day, these uber cost cutting measures ultimately just run all of the other shops out of town and a lack of competition hurts the consumer.


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5: Censorship of all music? what the hell does that mean? You mean music sold in the stores? I see all kinds of different genres available.
Yes, censorship of music sold. That means specifically that Walmart does not sell any cd that contains a parental advisory sticker. Instead, Walmart sells an edited version of the cd to the consumer...often times not informing them that they are getting an edited or alternate version of the cd. You can find this information right from Walmart.com: Save money. Live better. as shown here;
Walmart.com: Music: Music Content Policy.

While some say this is to promote good family values, I have to ask why don't these same family values apply to books and movies also sold within the store. Why can I get an R rated movie at Walmart, but not a CD like Green Day's latest album; (both contain the appropriate warnings)
Green Day Balks at Wal-Mart Censorship Policy :: Music :: News :: Paste

I'm sorry if it seemed I was attacking you directly. I am not. I just don't like seeing what has been happening in this country over the past 20 years. Corporations like Walmart are often a much bigger contributor than a lot of people think. While some consumers will simply go to the retailer with the lowest absolute price, others will evaluate whether the means to get that price are worth it. I fall into the latter category.

Edit: If you want some interesting reading, pick up "Fast Food Nation" and see how the proliferation of cheap food at any price has had a negative impact on the world in general. It's eye-opening to see the nitty gritty details behind those $1 menus.
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