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Windows 7: MSE - spread the word

03 Mar 2010   #41
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

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lets see we have windows by microsoft, which has a built-in firewall created by microsoft, with a extremely intrusive built-in media player created by microsoft, with an update program that the default setting is to download and install the updates without asking permission and you want us to allow microsoft to encroach even further. i don't think so.
For the record, during installation of a retail copy of Windows you can choose your Windows Update download settings.
for the record the default is still auto download and auto install. i did not say you could not change it. no see any problems with allowing ms to protect your system after all the trouble they got into after xp was released and their collecting info they had no right to?
For the record....there is NO DEFAULT SETTING in setup...you have to choose one. Also...why are you concerned about MS encroaching further? THEY MADE THE OS!!! You can't encroach more than that...

I also beg the question...have you actually installed a retail build of Vista/7?
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03 Mar 2010   #42
ForeverZero89

Win7 HP x64
 
 

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just run mse with the norton, if one doesn't catch things, the other will.
You wont find many here that suggest using Norton, and then you also wont find many here that suggest having and running two AV's at once on a single system.
why is that? ive got mse, adaware, avast, winpatrol and super antispyware runnng at the same time. i have no problems with conflicts or bogging.
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03 Mar 2010   #43
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

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just run mse with the norton, if one doesn't catch things, the other will.
You wont find many here that suggest using Norton, and then you also wont find many here that suggest having and running two AV's at once on a single system.
why is that? ive got mse, adaware, avast, winpatrol and super antispyware runnng at the same time. i have no problems with conflicts or bogging.
In most cases, its just to avoid any 'potential' problems. Personally I found MSE enough for me.
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03 Mar 2010   #44
Staple Head

Windows 7
 
 

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For the record, during installation of a retail copy of Windows you can choose your Windows Update download settings.
for the record the default is still auto download and auto install. i did not say you could not change it. no see any problems with allowing ms to protect your system after all the trouble they got into after xp was released and their collecting info they had no right to?
For the record....there is NO DEFAULT SETTING in setup...you have to choose one. Also...why are you concerned about MS encroaching further? THEY MADE THE OS!!! You can't encroach more than that...

I also beg the question...have you actually installed a retail build of Vista/7?
i bought 7 home premium as soon as the presale started. as for vista i just like a lot of users bought the ultimate version. do not imply again that i am illegal. i just personally think it is extremely poor judgement to have your security software by the same company that makes you os. as i said after xp was released microsoft took it upon themselves to gather far more than system info from xp users. after seeing how intrusive wmp is why would i ever chance a security product from ms. i'll be fair form the reviews mse probably is a good product, however a good product that most likely allow ms to spy once again just like they did under xp. i strongly recommend that you get you security software from a non microsoft company.
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03 Mar 2010   #45
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

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for the record the default is still auto download and auto install. i did not say you could not change it. no see any problems with allowing ms to protect your system after all the trouble they got into after xp was released and their collecting info they had no right to?
For the record....there is NO DEFAULT SETTING in setup...you have to choose one. Also...why are you concerned about MS encroaching further? THEY MADE THE OS!!! You can't encroach more than that...

I also beg the question...have you actually installed a retail build of Vista/7?
i bought 7 home premium as soon as the presale started. as for vista i just like a lot of users bought the ultimate version. do not imply again that i am illegal. i just personally think it is extremely poor judgement to have your security software by the same company that makes you os. as i said after xp was released microsoft took it upon themselves to gather far more than system info from xp users. after seeing how intrusive wmp is why would i ever chance a security product from ms. i'll be fair form the reviews mse probably is a good product, however a good product that most likely allow ms to spy once again just like they did under xp. i strongly recommend that you get you security software from a non microsoft company.
Actually I don't think he was implying you were a pirater or anything, I think he was asking perhaps because some OEM's set their default WU settings to auto-install without notification.

I personally trust the maker of the OS over anyone else.
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03 Mar 2010   #46
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Staple Head View Post
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Staple Head View Post

for the record the default is still auto download and auto install. i did not say you could not change it. no see any problems with allowing ms to protect your system after all the trouble they got into after xp was released and their collecting info they had no right to?
For the record....there is NO DEFAULT SETTING in setup...you have to choose one. Also...why are you concerned about MS encroaching further? THEY MADE THE OS!!! You can't encroach more than that...

I also beg the question...have you actually installed a retail build of Vista/7?
i bought 7 home premium as soon as the presale started. as for vista i just like a lot of users bought the ultimate version. do not imply again that i am illegal. i just personally think it is extremely poor judgement to have your security software by the same company that makes you os. as i said after xp was released microsoft took it upon themselves to gather far more than system info from xp users. after seeing how intrusive wmp is why would i ever chance a security product from ms. i'll be fair form the reviews mse probably is a good product, however a good product that most likely allow ms to spy once again just like they did under xp. i strongly recommend that you get you security software from a non microsoft company.
Like Nova commented...It was just a check

Also...you would rather have a third party handle the OS's security?

Lets have an analogy...shall we?

Lets say you bought yourself a Toyota Corolla. Lets say that one of the front wheel bearings went out. Who would you take it to-to get it fixed? Moe & Joes car repair down the road or the experts at the Toyota dealership that made the car. I hope that this is a no-brainier...

Lets take this to computers. Third party anti-virus makers make good products...I won't argue that. You have to realize though that only MS knows the OS...line by line. Everyone else settles for what MS provides in dev kits, etc. There may be issues with the OS that only MS knows about and only issues they can fix. This could carry over to potential security problems that may be only possible to resolve for themselves.

Conclusion? MS makes the OS and knows it like the back of their hand...who better to fix the problems that they have
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03 Mar 2010   #47
Staple Head

Windows 7
 
 

DarkNovaGamer

on offense but i believe anyone trusting all of their software needs to one company is asking for trouble.you are asking for them to eventually deliver inferior products because they have no competition, you are asking them to spy on you.

Zidane24


lets see i have a shop just down the street that i know is as good or better than the dealership / authorized repair center at under half the price. i am going their. ms wants to be the only software company in the world, and i for one am not going to help them get there.
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03 Mar 2010   #48
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

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DarkNovaGamer

on offense but i believe anyone trusting all of their software needs to one company is asking for trouble.you are asking for them to eventually deliver inferior products because they have no competition, you are asking them to spy on you.
I am? Last I checked my computer is still MY computer. I choose to do all this. I trust Microsoft, many trust them. They are a company, and like all companies they have their secrets.

If I didn't want to be 'spied on' as you say. I'd fully switch to Linux. As for the no competition and inferior products, thats not true. One person wont halt a good product from being developed.
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03 Mar 2010   #49
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Ive had no issues at all with NIS. But, I was curious if MSE was equal to or better than than NIS 2010.

According to Av Comparitives MS got the Gold Award for:
On Demand Detection & Low False positive rate (NIS got bronze for false positive)

But NIS was better at catching & detecting threats real time and Removing them before they ever infect the system.

Results of the tests here for those interested.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/image...ummary2009.pdf
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03 Mar 2010   #50
echrada

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
I was browsing a random PC store and of course saw copies of Kaspersky and Norton. However, with Microsoft Security Essentials, these are now unnecessary. I decided to post this. So, at the risk of being booted out of stores, advise people looking for new antimalware apps to get MSE:

http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/
I agree with you and I have been recommending this to all my customers.
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