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03 Jun 2010   #41
kucing13

 

Judging by it,I think i'm gonna wait a little longer before i get Ati 5xxx card.
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03 Jun 2010   #42
thefabe

Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit / XP Home sp3
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Well, there are 3 things you should really NOT skimp on (especially for gaming):
1 Motherboard
2 CPU
3 GPU
(4) RAM
(5) HDD

I will assume you already have a nice monitor, KB, mouse, speakers, etc.

First thing you want to choose is your CPU. Pick your top 3 choices, and look for a motherboard that fits your top choice.
For the CPU, I recommend getting a good model, but don't worry about its speed! I say this because it makes MUCH more sense to simply overclock it instead. For that reason I recommend the AMD Phenom x4. Just make sure the clock multiplier is unlocked.
For the motherboard you want a high quality one. ESPECIALLY if you are considering OCing. Make sure it can take up to as much RAM as you want to add (ever). Make sure the RAM slots are compatible with your CPU (i.e. DDR, DDR2, DDR3), and it has the PCIe slots you need for the GPU (2 if you want more than 1) and the PCI slots for expansion cards.

Next up is RAM. Pick good sticks, but you don't need super high quality gaming modules. I use the base Crucial modules, and they work great. Again, the timings can be OCed later if you want, so you don't need the top of the line.

After this, your GPU. If you want good forward compatibility, go for the ATI 5870. The 5770 is good too if you don't want to spend that much. The 260GTX is an awesome card, but it does not have DX11. Again, you can EASILY OC your graphics card.

Last up would be the HDD. 7200rpm is standard, and fine in general. Get an SSD for the OS and games if you want, but they can be pricey. The 10000rpm Velociraptor might not be a bad choice instead.

The case is important too, as it can affect your temps. Get a case with good fans (or go Watercooling, but that is pricey). As long as it fits your stuff (watch out if you get a big GPU), it should be fine.

~Lordbob
LB I didn't read all the posts but you left one very improtant item out POWER SUPPLY. Posibly 2
And after just replacing my CPU cooler I have to add it to the never skimp on list especialy if your going to overclock.
I did and just paid the price spent the last 5 hours rebuilding my system when my Masscool 6 heat pipe 80mm "internal fan" sandwhiched between my fins needed replacement couldn't do this without taking the motherboard out.
So I purchased the Corsair closed system water vooler for your CPU H50 I've been pushing on this site as the replacement Newegg.com - CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50-1 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler I also spent the time to mold a convex top on my case drilled it full pf holes and installed a 120mm Evercool blue led fan pulling hot air out, since the Corsair reccomends you install the fan to pull in cool air.
Needless to say with my disabilities it was a chore, but now my CPU is running at 32c idle and 38c full 3 hour GTAIV gaming session.
My point being make sure you spend the money on a QUALITY POWER SUPPLY AND A CPU COOLER. JMO. Fabe
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03 Jun 2010   #43
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by thefabe View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Well, there are 3 things you should really NOT skimp on (especially for gaming):
1 Motherboard
2 CPU
3 GPU
(4) RAM
(5) HDD

I will assume you already have a nice monitor, KB, mouse, speakers, etc.

First thing you want to choose is your CPU. Pick your top 3 choices, and look for a motherboard that fits your top choice.
For the CPU, I recommend getting a good model, but don't worry about its speed! I say this because it makes MUCH more sense to simply overclock it instead. For that reason I recommend the AMD Phenom x4. Just make sure the clock multiplier is unlocked.
For the motherboard you want a high quality one. ESPECIALLY if you are considering OCing. Make sure it can take up to as much RAM as you want to add (ever). Make sure the RAM slots are compatible with your CPU (i.e. DDR, DDR2, DDR3), and it has the PCIe slots you need for the GPU (2 if you want more than 1) and the PCI slots for expansion cards.

Next up is RAM. Pick good sticks, but you don't need super high quality gaming modules. I use the base Crucial modules, and they work great. Again, the timings can be OCed later if you want, so you don't need the top of the line.

After this, your GPU. If you want good forward compatibility, go for the ATI 5870. The 5770 is good too if you don't want to spend that much. The 260GTX is an awesome card, but it does not have DX11. Again, you can EASILY OC your graphics card.

Last up would be the HDD. 7200rpm is standard, and fine in general. Get an SSD for the OS and games if you want, but they can be pricey. The 10000rpm Velociraptor might not be a bad choice instead.

The case is important too, as it can affect your temps. Get a case with good fans (or go Watercooling, but that is pricey). As long as it fits your stuff (watch out if you get a big GPU), it should be fine.

~Lordbob
LB I didn't read ak=ll the posts but you left one very improtaqnt item out POWER SUPPLY.
And after just rep[lacing my CPU cooler I have to add it to the never skimp on list especialy if your going to overclock.
I did and just paid the price spent the last 5 hours rebuilding my system when my Masscool 6 heat pipe 80mm "internal fan" sandwhiched between my fins needed replacement couldn't do this without taking the motherboard out.
So I purchased the Corsair closed system water vooler for your CPU H50 I've been pushing on this site as the replacement Newegg.com - CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50-1 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler I also spent the time to mold a convex top onmy case drilled it full pf hole and installed a 120mm evercool blue led fan pulling hot air out, since the corsair reccomends you install the fan to pull in cool air.
Needless to sday with my disabilities it was a chore, but now my CPU is running at 32c idle and 38 fullo 3hour GTAIV gaming session.
My point being make sure you spemnf the money on a QUALITY POER SUPPLY AND A CPU COOLERJMO. Fabe
Yeah, I realize that. Thanks for mentioning.

To me, a quality PSU with more than enough Watts is just fine. There is really not THAT much more to it. Just don't get a really cheap one.

Though modular would be nice.

~Lordbob
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03 Jun 2010   #44
Fumz

7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FLaTLiN3D View Post
... How do you suggest I get the most "bang for my buck"? I love gaming so it would have to be quite a decent computer. What parts do you think would be the best for me? Parts for everything I mean.... CPU, GFX Cards, Sound Cards, etc, everything new...
That's actually a very easy question to answer, as long as you know where to look.

I see a lot of guys have pointed you towards AMD dual cores. Don't. While guys may have their reasons for getting AMD's, their reasons are not yours: "best bang for my buck gaming performance".

As for the cpu, there's really no question as to which cpu currently delivers the best bang for your buck in terms of gaming performance, the Intel i5 750: Best Gaming CPU: $195 And Up : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: January '10 An i5 will give you ~ the same gaming performance as a $1,000.00 cpu, and that's just flat out something AMD cannot currently do: Intel Core i7-975 EE and Core i5-750 in Contemporary Games - X-bit labs

Do not get a dual core; you will be sorry. You will often hear that, "games don't yet take advantage of quad cores". This is not entirely accurate. It was accurate about a year ago, but today's games do benefit, some greatly, from 4 cores. Going forward, you will not want a dual core.

Motherboard and RAM: there's no price difference between an AMD system and an Intel 1156 system in this respect. You can get both a board and a 4GB kit of RAM for both for ~ $100.00 each. With both systems, you don't "need" to buy the latest greatest DDR3 2000MHz kits as, in terms of gaming performance, DDR3 1066-DDR3 1600 all deliver about the same performance. For an extra $10.00 or $20.00 you may want to look for a kit with tighter timings? I personally find that expense worth it.

PSU: don't skimp. It is the most important item in your machine. Without a decent PSU none of your hardware means squat. Corsair, Seasonic, Silverstone, Enermax Galaxy, XFX, and PC Power & Cooling are what you'll want to be looking at.

Graphics Card: As far as "best bang for your buck goes", that all depends on your price point. For ~ $200.00, the best bang is the GTX 275 (if you can find one, my brother in law just did). For a few dollars less is the GTX 260. For a few more, there's the ATI 5850. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...on-hd5830.html. At the $300.00 price point, no question, 5850. Upwards of that, the GTX 480. If money is no object, the 5970.

Of course this is just my opinion, but I would suggest you invest in a decent DX11 card. Over the years I've never been overly concerned about DX upgrades as they haven't really been all that noticeable to me while gaming (always too focused on the action); however, DX11 is really sweet, and many times I find myself amazed at the sheer beauty of what my screen is showing me.
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03 Jun 2010   #45
HMonk

Dual boot XP Pro SP3x86 and Win7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FLaTLiN3D View Post
Thank you VERY VERY much everyone that has helped me, I'm off to do some researching as you suggested and shall return after a short period of time....

Regards,
FLaTLiN3D
You are on the road less traveled, i.e., doing your own research and making personal, pragmatic, and logical choices, always remembering that components function as a unit.

Three questions I always ask myself vis--vis benchmarking or so-called top-ten lists of anything:

1. On what kind of setup was the component tested;
2. How was the component put through its paces;
3. What does all of this matter to me and my intended application?

Finally, the next time you drive down the street, notice how many different mfrs, models, styles, colors, and types of vehicles you see. Then come back to this forum and, in the Chillout Room, start a thread asking what kind of vehicle you might consider. Believe it or not, you will find there are people who tell you what you SHOULD buy.

Keep up the research.

Monk
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03 Jun 2010   #46
Fumz

7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I didn't tell the OP what he "should" buy, I just answered his question: "What's the best bang for the buck?"

Not, "what's adequate?" or "what will get me by?", but, "what's the best?" What the best is, per dollar spent, is a demonstrably fact. The links I provided are but a few; there are many which arrive at the same conclusion.

I provided the OP this option only because no one else in this thread has. My opinion has been absent here save for suggesting he go for tighter timed RAM.
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03 Jun 2010   #47
FLaTLiN3D

MS Windows 7 HP 64Bit
 
 

How would I go about deciding if all of the hardware will function properly together? Would I have to research every part individually?

Also, I realize that in video cards, GDDR3 is better than DDR3, however, I was looking at this GDDR3 card, 896MB, for ~200$. On the same page, there was a 1GB DDR3 card for ~75$. Is GDDR3 REALLY that much of an improvement? Also, what about it IS improved? Because a 128MB gap makes quite a bit of difference some times, would I be better off getting the more expensive card with less memory?

Does thermal compound have to be reapplied? If so, how often?

Thank you,
FLaTLiN3D
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03 Jun 2010   #48
Fumz

7 Ultimate x64
 
 

You have to make sure the cpu socket type corresponds to the motherboard socket. For example, the socket for an i5 is an LGA (land grid array, meaning no pins) 1156. Make sure you select an 1156 motherboard. Likewise, if you chose a socket AM3 AMD cpu, you'll want to get the corresponding AMD board.

With graphics cards and memory, you really don't have to worry about it; the cards you're looking at will all work with any board you choose. The RAM is the same. DDR3 will fit into any board that supports DDR3.

Just come back when you've picked parts and link them.
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03 Jun 2010   #49
HMonk

Dual boot XP Pro SP3x86 and Win7 Pro x64
 
 

First off, to be very technically correct GDDR3 is properly applied to graphics (thus the G); in practice people refer to DDR3 when talking about gfx RAM.

Differences between GDDR3 and GDDR2:

GDDR3: increases bandwidth, draws less power, thus produces less heat, can reset and flush the memory module (v. GDDR2 which flushes on reboot).

How do you choose - using gfx cards as an example: what is its chipset; what HW/SW does it support; how much memory does it have; how much memory does your system have?

Post back if that does not address your concerns.

Monk
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03 Jun 2010   #50
FLaTLiN3D

MS Windows 7 HP 64Bit
 
 

@Monk - I don't quite understand.... You told me the difference between GDDR2 and GDDR3 but you didn't give much information on DDR3, you say that it's used when referring to GFX RAM, but Newegg seems to use both DDR3 and GDDR3 to describe their cards.... Here's what I'm getting from your post: GDDR3 is faster, uses less resources, and won't overheat as easily... How do I go about checking what HW/SW is supports?

@Fumz - Thank you for your help. I will come back with parts after I do a bit more reading, I'd like to become more independent instead of relying on this community for my every need.... What exactly is 1156? Is that the type of "plug-in" that my mobo would need to have if I chose to buy a processor with 1156?

FLaTLiN3D
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