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Judging by it,I think i'm gonna wait a little longer before i get Ati 5xxx card. :)
Requesting tips on building PCs
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New #42
LB I didn't read all the posts but you left one very improtant item out POWER SUPPLY. Posibly 2
And after just replacing my CPU cooler I have to add it to the never skimp on list especialy if your going to overclock.
I did and just paid the price spent the last 5 hours rebuilding my system when my Masscool 6 heat pipe 80mm "internal fan" sandwhiched between my fins needed replacement couldn't do this without taking the motherboard out.
So I purchased the Corsair closed system water vooler for your CPU H50 I've been pushing on this site as the replacement Newegg.com - CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50-1 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler I also spent the time to mold a convex top on my case drilled it full pf holes and installed a 120mm Evercool blue led fan pulling hot air out, since the Corsair reccomends you install the fan to pull in cool air.
Needless to say with my disabilities it was a chore, but now my CPU is running at 32c idle and 38c full 3 hour GTAIV gaming session.
My point being make sure you spend the money on a QUALITY POWER SUPPLY AND A CPU COOLER. JMO. Fabe
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New #44
That's actually a very easy question to answer, as long as you know where to look.
I see a lot of guys have pointed you towards AMD dual cores. Don't. While guys may have their reasons for getting AMD's, their reasons are not yours: "best bang for my buck gaming performance".
As for the cpu, there's really no question as to which cpu currently delivers the best bang for your buck in terms of gaming performance, the Intel i5 750: Best Gaming CPU: $195 And Up : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: January '10 An i5 will give you ~ the same gaming performance as a $1,000.00 cpu, and that's just flat out something AMD cannot currently do: Intel Core i7-975 EE and Core i5-750 in Contemporary Games - X-bit labs
Do not get a dual core; you will be sorry. You will often hear that, "games don't yet take advantage of quad cores". This is not entirely accurate. It was accurate about a year ago, but today's games do benefit, some greatly, from 4 cores. Going forward, you will not want a dual core.
Motherboard and RAM: there's no price difference between an AMD system and an Intel 1156 system in this respect. You can get both a board and a 4GB kit of RAM for both for ~ $100.00 each. With both systems, you don't "need" to buy the latest greatest DDR3 2000MHz kits as, in terms of gaming performance, DDR3 1066-DDR3 1600 all deliver about the same performance. For an extra $10.00 or $20.00 you may want to look for a kit with tighter timings? I personally find that expense worth it.
PSU: don't skimp. It is the most important item in your machine. Without a decent PSU none of your hardware means squat. Corsair, Seasonic, Silverstone, Enermax Galaxy, XFX, and PC Power & Cooling are what you'll want to be looking at.
Graphics Card: As far as "best bang for your buck goes", that all depends on your price point. For ~ $200.00, the best bang is the GTX 275 (if you can find one, my brother in law just did). For a few dollars less is the GTX 260. For a few more, there's the ATI 5850. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...on-hd5830.html. At the $300.00 price point, no question, 5850. Upwards of that, the GTX 480. If money is no object, the 5970.
Of course this is just my opinion, but I would suggest you invest in a decent DX11 card. Over the years I've never been overly concerned about DX upgrades as they haven't really been all that noticeable to me while gaming (always too focused on the action); however, DX11 is really sweet, and many times I find myself amazed at the sheer beauty of what my screen is showing me.
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New #45
You are on the road less traveled, i.e., doing your own research and making personal, pragmatic, and logical choices, always remembering that components function as a unit.
Three questions I always ask myself vis-à-vis benchmarking or so-called top-ten lists of anything:
1. On what kind of setup was the component tested;
2. How was the component put through its paces;
3. What does all of this matter to me and my intended application?
Finally, the next time you drive down the street, notice how many different mfrs, models, styles, colors, and types of vehicles you see. Then come back to this forum and, in the Chillout Room, start a thread asking what kind of vehicle you might consider. Believe it or not, you will find there are people who tell you what you SHOULD buy.
Keep up the research.
Monk
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New #46
I didn't tell the OP what he "should" buy, I just answered his question: "What's the best bang for the buck?"
Not, "what's adequate?" or "what will get me by?", but, "what's the best?" What the best is, per dollar spent, is a demonstrably fact. The links I provided are but a few; there are many which arrive at the same conclusion.
I provided the OP this option only because no one else in this thread has. My opinion has been absent here save for suggesting he go for tighter timed RAM.
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How would I go about deciding if all of the hardware will function properly together? Would I have to research every part individually?
Also, I realize that in video cards, GDDR3 is better than DDR3, however, I was looking at this GDDR3 card, 896MB, for ~200$. On the same page, there was a 1GB DDR3 card for ~75$. Is GDDR3 REALLY that much of an improvement? Also, what about it IS improved? Because a 128MB gap makes quite a bit of difference some times, would I be better off getting the more expensive card with less memory?
Does thermal compound have to be reapplied? If so, how often?
Thank you,
FLaTLiN3D
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New #48
You have to make sure the cpu socket type corresponds to the motherboard socket. For example, the socket for an i5 is an LGA (land grid array, meaning no pins) 1156. Make sure you select an 1156 motherboard. Likewise, if you chose a socket AM3 AMD cpu, you'll want to get the corresponding AMD board.
With graphics cards and memory, you really don't have to worry about it; the cards you're looking at will all work with any board you choose. The RAM is the same. DDR3 will fit into any board that supports DDR3.
Just come back when you've picked parts and link them.
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New #49
First off, to be very technically correct GDDR3 is properly applied to graphics (thus the G); in practice people refer to DDR3 when talking about gfx RAM.
Differences between GDDR3 and GDDR2:
GDDR3: increases bandwidth, draws less power, thus produces less heat, can reset and flush the memory module (v. GDDR2 which flushes on reboot).
How do you choose - using gfx cards as an example: what is its chipset; what HW/SW does it support; how much memory does it have; how much memory does your system have?
Post back if that does not address your concerns.
Monk
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@Monk - I don't quite understand.... You told me the difference between GDDR2 and GDDR3 but you didn't give much information on DDR3, you say that it's used when referring to GFX RAM, but Newegg seems to use both DDR3 and GDDR3 to describe their cards.... Here's what I'm getting from your post: GDDR3 is faster, uses less resources, and won't overheat as easily... How do I go about checking what HW/SW is supports?
@Fumz - Thank you for your help. I will come back with parts after I do a bit more reading, I'd like to become more independent instead of relying on this community for my every need.... What exactly is 1156? Is that the type of "plug-in" that my mobo would need to have if I chose to buy a processor with 1156?
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