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Windows 7: Windows 7 - Default Profile. How can I edit it?

12 Nov 2009   #51
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

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hiattech -

I talked to the network administrator, who was very open minded about the thought of roaming profiles. And just like you mentioned, server space came up in the discussion, which is a huge reason why roaming profiles would be an issue. He said it's something we'll have to talk about more, because a bigger storage server will be needed to accomplish that.


SquonkSC -

Well, I fail to see why I wouldn't have some involvement in with the new version of Windows when I'm in desktop support. I have to support desktop computers... a ton of them... and they're running a Windows OS. I'm the one who has to deal with the problems in the schools with this. Sure, I'm not the Director of Technology, but my boss gave me instructions to play with this and see if I can make it work in our environment, so I'm trying best I can to make pigs fly. We're not WANTING to go to Windows 7, but we got a bunch of new computers and no XP drivers exist for them. I found all of the drivers on the individual manufacturer's web sites except the chipset. The manufacturer just doesn't make an XP chipset driver, so I was stuck. Currently, I'm looking at considering putting Vista on these systems. It'd be so painful to do that, but XP won't work, 7 won't work, what choice do I have? I could throw Linux on it I guess. :P


Darryl Licht -

Yes, we're all on a domain. All buildings are on 1 domain. With FOG, despite it supporting multicast, I use unicast because my 24 port gigabit switch I do imaging with does not support multicast. I can fire an image to 23 computers (last port is for my FOG laptop) in about 20 minutes. This of course depends on the size of the image. If it's a standard XP image with Office 07, Firefox, maybe some basic applications, etc (typical of Middle and Elementary labs) than 23 computers in 20 minutes is accurate. The images begin to get bigger when you start talking about CADD labs, business labs, Photoshop labs, etc (High School). That's where the imaging process can be a bit longer - but even still, I can image an entire lab of 30 computers in about an hour's time, assuming worst case scenario with big images.

I image labs once a year regardless of whether or not there are any issues with them. It's typical maintenance. I could go to each computer, defrag it, make sure it has the latest updates, run CCleaner, delete any garbage students might have installed, etc. But it's far easier to walk in with my FOG laptop, a 24 port switch, a ball of ethernet wires, and just get the job done in no time. FOG is something that we can put on our main network, however it really isn't in the cards since our buildings are pretty far apart, and I need to be making changes on the FOG server to choose which image to deploy, etc. So I keep things mobile and use a switch + laptop. Works out pretty nice, too! But like I said, our imaging solution is free and can do so much more than Ghost can ever hope to achieve. And uh, did I mention, it's Linux based?


At the end of the day, I'm just sitting here with a bunch of computers that are currently useless to us. Windows 7 cannot do local default profiles. I've followed each guide, including Microsoft's sub-par guide. The more I googled last night, the more people I saw confirming it doesn't work. To do roaming profiles it would almost guarantee the need of a larger server which just won't happen overnight. I just really think we need to drop back to Vista, despite how ever so badly I've tried to avoid doing that, and try to get Vista to play nice with local profiles as well.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me here. I just have very little patience with Microsoft at this time considering the situation at hand. But we'll get something working somehow.
I hope you find a solution...I really do...

One question though...Why hasn't your school labs deployed deepfreeze to prevent permanent student installed junk and other changes a student might have done to a computer?
We have deployed it, and we recently removed it. Deepfreeze doesn't play nice with a lot of the software the students use. I forget the exact reasoning because I am not assigned to the high school, even though I help out here a lot. The other tech in the department is more familiar with exact reasoning behind problems with the software we ran into.

Ever since we removed Deepfreeze, things have been a lot better in terms of flexibility in the classroom. Now we just implement more group policies and filtering to allow the students to do their jobs on the machines while still having some sort of security implemented.

I'm installing Vista at the moment to try and figure this out. There's also another tech in the department helping me with another computer as well. It's just difficult because with 7 or Vista, it's a lose-lose. Who uses default local profiles? Schools. Who uses Vista and 7 in schools? Nobody.

Insert fork into temple.

That's all right, though. It was almost comforting to hear other users had issues with sysprep. It made me feel like an idiot to be trying it step by step and it erroring out. So even though it's a step back knowing 7 won't fly just yet, at least I know I'm not a total moron. :P
This might be to your fancy Roasted...

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12 Nov 2009   #52
Roasted

Ubuntu
 
 

Oh, happy day.

Vista needs the clg file from the Vista CD in order to continue. I did a scan of my Vista Business DVD - no clg file exists on it. As a result, it errors out.

Happy. Happy. Happy. Joy. Kill. Happy. Stab. Smile.
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12 Nov 2009   #53
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

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Oh, happy day.

Vista needs the clg file from the Vista CD in order to continue. I did a scan of my Vista Business DVD - no clg file exists on it. As a result, it errors out.

Happy. Happy. Happy. Joy. Kill. Happy. Stab. Smile.
So I assume that you managed to find an excuse to not install Vista?

*Chuckle*
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12 Nov 2009   #54
Roasted

Ubuntu
 
 

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Oh, happy day.

Vista needs the clg file from the Vista CD in order to continue. I did a scan of my Vista Business DVD - no clg file exists on it. As a result, it errors out.

Happy. Happy. Happy. Joy. Kill. Happy. Stab. Smile.
So I assume that you managed to find an excuse to not install Vista?

*Chuckle*
As if I need an excuse to not install Vista. The name alone presents a library of reasons.

But hey - we're gonna try anyway. I refuse to let a computer tell me "no" twice in one day.
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12 Nov 2009   #55
Zidane24

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Roasted View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane24 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Roasted View Post
Oh, happy day.

Vista needs the clg file from the Vista CD in order to continue. I did a scan of my Vista Business DVD - no clg file exists on it. As a result, it errors out.

Happy. Happy. Happy. Joy. Kill. Happy. Stab. Smile.
So I assume that you managed to find an excuse to not install Vista?

*Chuckle*
As if I need an excuse to not install Vista. The name alone presents a library of reasons.

But hey - we're gonna try anyway. I refuse to let a computer tell me "no" twice in one day.
Original Vista...yes

Vista SP2 on the other hand is a solid OS...don't shoot it down from the get go
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12 Nov 2009   #56
Darryl Licht

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit Steve Ballmer Signature Edition
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Roasted View Post
hiattech -

I talked to the network administrator, who was very open minded about the thought of roaming profiles. And just like you mentioned, server space came up in the discussion, which is a huge reason why roaming profiles would be an issue. He said it's something we'll have to talk about more, because a bigger storage server will be needed to accomplish that.


Darryl Licht -

Yes, we're all on a domain. All buildings are on 1 domain. With FOG, despite it supporting multicast, I use unicast because my 24 port gigabit switch I do imaging with does not support multicast. I can fire an image to 23 computers (last port is for my FOG laptop) in about 20 minutes. This of course depends on the size of the image. If it's a standard XP image with Office 07, Firefox, maybe some basic applications, etc (typical of Middle and Elementary labs) than 23 computers in 20 minutes is accurate. The images begin to get bigger when you start talking about CADD labs, business labs, Photoshop labs, etc (High School). That's where the imaging process can be a bit longer - but even still, I can image an entire lab of 30 computers in about an hour's time, assuming worst case scenario with big images.

I image labs once a year regardless of whether or not there are any issues with them. It's typical maintenance. I could go to each computer, defrag it, make sure it has the latest updates, run CCleaner, delete any garbage students might have installed, etc. But it's far easier to walk in with my FOG laptop, a 24 port switch, a ball of ethernet wires, and just get the job done in no time. FOG is something that we can put on our main network, however it really isn't in the cards since our buildings are pretty far apart, and I need to be making changes on the FOG server to choose which image to deploy, etc. So I keep things mobile and use a switch + laptop. Works out pretty nice, too! But like I said, our imaging solution is free and can do so much more than Ghost can ever hope to achieve. And uh, did I mention, it's Linux based?


At the end of the day, I'm just sitting here with a bunch of computers that are currently useless to us. Windows 7 cannot do local default profiles. I've followed each guide, including Microsoft's sub-par guide. The more I googled last night, the more people I saw confirming it doesn't work. To do roaming profiles it would almost guarantee the need of a larger server which just won't happen overnight. I just really think we need to drop back to Vista, despite how ever so badly I've tried to avoid doing that, and try to get Vista to play nice with local profiles as well.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me here. I just have very little patience with Microsoft at this time considering the situation at hand. But we'll get something working somehow.
First off... you dont need, nor do you want roaming profiles in the sense of an Enterprise... I think what you are trying to achieve uniformity of systems within a certain classroom or lab. Right?

We use profiles in conjunction with GPOs... each lab has a default user name of lab123 with no password... so really u'd have 1 profile for each classroom/lab.

I dont understand why in the world if you have every PC networked why you:
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walk in with my FOG laptop, a 24 port switch, a ball of ethernet wires, and just get the job done in no time
Good lord man that's moving 1 step in the wrong direction! Back to Sneakernet!
I understand that your infrastructure may be CAT 5 and 100mbps switches... but you can image from the comfort of your office over the network... AT NIGHT! Who cares if it takes 5 hours instead of 1! Also, start upgrading your switches and wiring.

Then in a K-12 environment you only reimage ONCE a year??? I'm at the Community College level and we image at least once each semester... even more often on library and lab PC's. I'm certain the k-12 youngsters do more damage than at my level!

I really hope you find a solution... I really do... but that solution may not be a "perfect" fit!

My friend as good as the open source stuff has become... we live in a Microsoft dominated world, and you must adapt! Resistance is futile!





CHUCKLE CHUCKLE CHUCKLE!!!
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13 Nov 2009   #57
Roasted

Ubuntu
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Darryl Licht View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Roasted View Post
hiattech -

I talked to the network administrator, who was very open minded about the thought of roaming profiles. And just like you mentioned, server space came up in the discussion, which is a huge reason why roaming profiles would be an issue. He said it's something we'll have to talk about more, because a bigger storage server will be needed to accomplish that.


Darryl Licht -

Yes, we're all on a domain. All buildings are on 1 domain. With FOG, despite it supporting multicast, I use unicast because my 24 port gigabit switch I do imaging with does not support multicast. I can fire an image to 23 computers (last port is for my FOG laptop) in about 20 minutes. This of course depends on the size of the image. If it's a standard XP image with Office 07, Firefox, maybe some basic applications, etc (typical of Middle and Elementary labs) than 23 computers in 20 minutes is accurate. The images begin to get bigger when you start talking about CADD labs, business labs, Photoshop labs, etc (High School). That's where the imaging process can be a bit longer - but even still, I can image an entire lab of 30 computers in about an hour's time, assuming worst case scenario with big images.

I image labs once a year regardless of whether or not there are any issues with them. It's typical maintenance. I could go to each computer, defrag it, make sure it has the latest updates, run CCleaner, delete any garbage students might have installed, etc. But it's far easier to walk in with my FOG laptop, a 24 port switch, a ball of ethernet wires, and just get the job done in no time. FOG is something that we can put on our main network, however it really isn't in the cards since our buildings are pretty far apart, and I need to be making changes on the FOG server to choose which image to deploy, etc. So I keep things mobile and use a switch + laptop. Works out pretty nice, too! But like I said, our imaging solution is free and can do so much more than Ghost can ever hope to achieve. And uh, did I mention, it's Linux based?


At the end of the day, I'm just sitting here with a bunch of computers that are currently useless to us. Windows 7 cannot do local default profiles. I've followed each guide, including Microsoft's sub-par guide. The more I googled last night, the more people I saw confirming it doesn't work. To do roaming profiles it would almost guarantee the need of a larger server which just won't happen overnight. I just really think we need to drop back to Vista, despite how ever so badly I've tried to avoid doing that, and try to get Vista to play nice with local profiles as well.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me here. I just have very little patience with Microsoft at this time considering the situation at hand. But we'll get something working somehow.
First off... you dont need, nor do you want roaming profiles in the sense of an Enterprise... I think what you are trying to achieve uniformity of systems within a certain classroom or lab. Right?

We use profiles in conjunction with GPOs... each lab has a default user name of lab123 with no password... so really u'd have 1 profile for each classroom/lab.

I dont understand why in the world if you have every PC networked why you:
Quote:
walk in with my FOG laptop, a 24 port switch, a ball of ethernet wires, and just get the job done in no time
Good lord man that's moving 1 step in the wrong direction! Back to Sneakernet!
I understand that your infrastructure may be CAT 5 and 100mbps switches... but you can image from the comfort of your office over the network... AT NIGHT! Who cares if it takes 5 hours instead of 1! Also, start upgrading your switches and wiring.

Then in a K-12 environment you only reimage ONCE a year??? I'm at the Community College level and we image at least once each semester... even more often on library and lab PC's. I'm certain the k-12 youngsters do more damage than at my level!

I really hope you find a solution... I really do... but that solution may not be a "perfect" fit!

My friend as good as the open source stuff has become... we live in a Microsoft dominated world, and you must adapt! Resistance is futile!





CHUCKLE CHUCKLE CHUCKLE!!!
Not only do we have 100 meg switches here and there in the closets which would -severely- bottleneck the imaging process (which are slowly being upgraded), we also have a long distance in between each building. To effectively implement an imaging server with decent results would mean to add a server in each building.

Some day it may be implemented to the main network, but the reality is, I played with FOG on my own without anybody knowing. I didn't want to add something to the main network and it somehow backfire and be on my plate. Now that I've used it for about 10 months with great success, I'd feel more comfortable doing that now - but there's still a lack of hardware to make it happen.

Plus, when I work on a lab, I need it done that night. I don't want to have to come in early that morning to add all of the computers to the domain and rename them. I think it's easier to do everything in 1 shot so if I wake up in the morning and something critical came up, at least I don't have 1 emergency + a lab down.

FOG does have scheduled imaging built in, which simply requires me to select PXE boot on LAN as the first boot option in the BIOS of the lab I'm working on. Then if FOG has a task assigned to that MAC address, it takes off with imaging. It's very solid, but right now, it's not a step backward at all to be using it on my laptop with a switch - it's really probably the most efficient way I can be doing this with what I have to work with considering I don't have more hardware to do what I'd like to do.

If someday we get a server dropped in each building that will tie into our existing DHCP servers and somehow centrally synchronize all images across the entire district, I'll hop on board. But right now I have a gig switch, some cat5e, and a decently spec'd laptop which'll barf out images plenty quick for my liking.

About the imaging process - Like every single IT department in the world, we're short people. There's things that I have to get done on a daily basis. Couple that with random fires that blow up and new wiring jobs and hooking this up and fixing that and fixing this teacher's problem and ID-10-T errors left and right and you suddenly have no free time whatsoever to even consider imaging in the middle of the school year. As a result, regular maintenance is done once a year with anything in between that's required. I'm getting prepped as we speak to image a lab I did in April. It was only used for May + Sept/Oct and already I'm re-imaging it since a few issues came up with that lab. As you may or may not know, being in the tech department means 2 things - if you're hearing anything, it's always bad. If you're not hearing a peep, you know things are running good. I don't touch the labs unless I'm hearing issues about them - otherwise I let them alone until yearly maintenance rolls around. "If it aint broke don't fix it."

We do the best we can with what we have to work with. But God gave us 24 hours in a day, not 200. Otherwise things might be different.

Oh, please - spare me of the Microsoft dominated talk. I have used a lot of open source software in the last few years. If it wasn't for open source software, I wouldn't be in IT today. There's so much about closed source and proprietary software that causes shortfalls in comparison to what open source software can often times offer a user or business, no matter how large or small.

Speaking as unbiased as I possibly can - Every Microsoft counterpart that I've used that is open source has almost always been as good or better than the Microsoft version. I'm sure I'll get pommelled by a bunch of MS fanatics here, but I'm not just spouting off my naive thoughts - I work in IT every day - I know what works for me, I know what gets the job done, and I know how efficiently (and cost effectively) I can get my work done. That's something that Microsoft (in my opinion) hasn't been an "ace" in - something that more and more tech departments in the nation are also beginning to realize. I accept that Microsoft is existent in the world, and I think they have their place in the IT industry and that will forever remain, but I will just never hop on board with the "oh, well, they own everything so let's just move forward with it." There's choices out there, and the must be considered. If they're simply avoided, it's nobody's loss but your own.

Sorry guys - but you dug my opinion out of me. Take it for what it's worth. :P
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13 Nov 2009   #58
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

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Like every single IT department in the world, we're short people.
Speak for your self!

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13 Nov 2009   #59
Roasted

Ubuntu
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Roasted View Post
Like every single IT department in the world, we're short people.
Speak for your self!

LOL. You caught me. You know darn well what I meant though!

In all seriousness - 5'11" isn't that short - is it?
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13 Nov 2009   #60
hiattech

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LOL. You caught me. You know darn well what I meant though!

In all seriousness - 5'11" isn't that short - is it?
Well, I'm only 5'9".. soooo.. Though now that I think about it. I'm bout 2-3 inches shorter than almost everyone in my department.....
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