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Windows 7: ANN: Classic Shell 0.9.8 -now with skinnable start menu

27 Jan 2010   #71


I have read the instructions for customizing the toolbar and Explorer. Is there a website that lists the necessary commands, tool tips, and names for additional functions such as copy to folder, move to folder, refresh, select all, invert select, undo, redo, etc. that I can correctly edit the *.ini file?

My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Jan 2010   #72

Windows 7 Home 64, Vista Ultimate 64

No, there is only the ini file itself and this:
The full list of commands is in the ini file. The names and tooltips are up to you. I'm sure you can come up with the text for undo, redo, etc. Hint - "Undo", "Redo", "etc" . You have to translate them in your language. That's one of the reasons I don't provide default texts - because I have to come up with translations for 35 languages and I am not fluent in all of them.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Jan 2010   #73


Ok I got the toolbar to look exactly like the sample picture you posted recently in the thread (adding back, forward, undo, redo). I specified the gfx icons for vista. I noticed in this icon pack that there are disabled and hot icons. Is there a way in the *.ini file to add commands that would grey out functions that are not possible at the moment? For example, grey out forward command button when you have just opened a window and not navigated to any subsequent directories or not being able to use undo or redo when you have not performed any file operation in the first place.
My System SpecsSystem Spec

27 Jan 2010   #74

Windows 7 Home 64, Vista Ultimate 64

There is no need to provide grayed out icons. The toolbar will use the color icon and desaturate it. That's how the Up button works.

The trick is to detect when the button should be grayed out: Classic Shell FAQ

For the Up button there is special code that disables it if you are currently viewing the Desktop folder. But there is no code to detect if there is previous or next folder, or if there is something to undo/redo. I don't know how to do that in my code. It would require accessing Explorer's internal data and I don't see any API to do that. I'll keep an eye out for a solution and over time I will be perfecting the behavior in future versions, but for the moment I don't have an answer.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
27 Jan 2010   #75


Gotcha. I figured that you would have mentioned this issue of graying out and disabling of file management operations you would have mentioned it in your documentation. I found this website
Adding custom buttons to the Explorer command bar winJade
that discusses how to add file management operations to the existing toolbar via taskitemsselect and taskitemsnoselect registry keys. Don't know if it will help you but sent it as an FYI in case.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
31 Jan 2010   #76

Windows 7 64bit

Like many people, I'm desperately looking around the internet for a way to disable the auto arrange in Windows 7 Explorer.

I discovered this link where somebody claims to have a way of doing it in Vista and I thought I'd bring it to your attention Ivo as it "seems" like something that could be incorporated into your program.

How do I kill Auto-Arrange?

I'm not a programmer so I don't really understand it and it's probably no good - but I had to try as this issue is driving me crazy.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
31 Jan 2010   #77

Windows 7 Home 64, Vista Ultimate 64

@bamajon1974 - I found a way to disable back/foward (but not undo/redo). It will be in the next version.

@gb2010 - The link you posted is for Vista. IMO for Windows 7 there is no such functionality. Because the code is not there at all, you just CAN'T "enable" it with registry tweaks. Read more about my opinion on the subject here: Classic Shell FAQ
My System SpecsSystem Spec
05 Mar 2010   #78


I only just noticed the stupidity of removing "auto arrange: off" while moving some files
MSoft are amazingly dumb sometimes

so I googled and found this W7 specific link - (havent tried it yet though):
How to Disable Full Row Select in Explorer in Windows 7? - The Winhelponline Blog

and then I thought ah, maybe Ivo has it fixed it..
and I see I'm not the only one to think that
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Mar 2010   #79

Windows 7
Thank you


I just wanted to say thankyou for making this. I've been using XP forever and jumping to Windows 7 has been extremely frustrating because it seems to have lost a lot of basic usability features. Classic Shell has restored a good amount of them.

I have a couple feature requests I'm sure many people would enjoy.

1. The new "folderband" bar with "Organize ... preview toggle" is a waste of valuable verticle space. I found a couple methods to get rid of it.

Window Explorer Toolbar - Remove
The forum discussion for the above method.
Remove Explorer toolbar?

In the forum discussion is also a link to this which may do the same:
2shared - download Shellstyle Replacement.rar
(To get the file from the above link, look for:
Save file to your PC click here near the bottom right side.)

The main button missing on that band is the old "explorer" button in windows xp which toggled the navigation pane on and off.
With the folderband, one must go to "organize / layout / navigation pane"

There are a lot of people who want that functionality as per these discussions:

How do you add a button to add/remove the Navigation Pane in Windows 7 Explorer?
Is there a way to add a button on folder to toggle navigation pane?
It would be great if a simple "navigation pane" toggle (explorer) button could be incorporated into the Classic Shell Toolbar. And since the goal is to run explorer without the "folderband" ribbon thing, I would think that making the preview button toggle and a button to cycle through details/list etc would also be very valuable.

I read somewhere of the registry entries to turn on and off the navigation pane and preview but I lost the forum link.

I guess a "new folder" button and "sort by" cycle button would be nice on that toolbar as well.

Basically, this would finish replacing the new pathetic ribbon with a wonderful customizable toolbar which shares the same vertical space as the classic menu. Very classic like if its even possible!

2. In XP, there was a way to make the drop down box of the address bar just show all the file tree so one could select from a single list instead of individual breadcrumbs. Is this possible to implement when clicking the address bar drop down icon. It seems like its always just blank now which makes no sense to me.

3. There is one bug as well which I found a workaround for:

When I click the explorer button on the task bar, I set the default folder to go to my computer with this as the target for "windows explorer":
%windir%\explorer.exe /root,::{20d04fe0-3aea-1069-a2d8-08002b30309d}
The page describing this is:
Change What Windows Explorer Button on Taskbar Performs - Windows 7

With that setup, when I then use Classic shell to browse to any folder, it seems to open a that folder in a new window. The new window works correctly. I'm on win7 64 bit and I have "show all folders" and "automatically expand to current folder" checked.

But if I use this instead:
%windir%\explorer.exe ,/e
as the target for windows explorer, classic shell seems to work fine. I don't know if this bug matters or not - I'm just pointing it out.

Out of all the suggestions above, the most important would seem to be the "explorer button" (navigation pane toggle) which is unexplicably missing from Windows 7!! What was microsoft thinking getting rid of all these basic usability features??

As for the Classic Start Menu - Wow! - totally customizable and feels just like XP. I love it!

Thanks again for making the program.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
12 Mar 2010   #80

Windows 7 Home 64, Vista Ultimate 64

1. Unfortunately, No. The band is not a separate control and can't be manipulated through standard means. Even if I add a button to edit the registry for you, it won't work until you open a new Explorer window.

2. It is on my list of things to look at someday. I disabled the breadcrumbs, but had to enable them again after few days precisely because the dropdown doesn't contain the parent folders. So now with no breadcrumbs and no dropdown there is no way to examine the parents and go to a specific one.

I'm thinking of something else though. Maybe instead of changing the address bar I can add a dropdown to the Up button (similar to the Back/Forward buttons) that does the same thing. So you want up one level, press the button. You want up more levels, press the dropdown and pick a parent.

BTW, the dropdown is supposed to show the history of visited folders. It is blank for you because you probably disabled the history feature.

3. I don't believe this is related to Classic Shell. I don't control when Explorer will open a new window. Can you verify by uninstalling Classic Shell, rebooting, then trying again the same thing?
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