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Windows 7: Make Windows 7 remember window positions and size!

14 Nov 2009   #151
InternetLord

Windows 7 Eternity Build 7600 RTM Activated x86
 
 

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When we start using third party apps to do basic features in windows we are pretty much giving up on free resources.
If you have to worry about resources being taken by such a simple app....

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Why should I install a windows that requires third party apps to do what the older one did natively?
The same reason I install an emulator when I want to play Space Invaders or any classic Atari game.

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If eye candy is the only reason why we are using windows vista and win 7 then why not grab some vista transformation patch for xp and we can be done with it and also use third party ****...
Who's stopping you from applying this suggestion and using it? Nobody here. It's like you're asking us to choose for you or something. Use what you like and be happy.
1. every little app makes a difference. why do you think users going through startup programs and disable what actually does not need to start with windows. why do you think users go through services and either disable some of the or set the to manual start.
2. installing an emulator to play games that were never native to windows is not the same as having to install a thirdparty app to do something that was native to windows xp and vista then for no good reason removed from 7.

in fairness mrdeviance is wrong about us only using vista and 7 only for eye candy. the only thing wrong with vista post service pack 1 was it's security was weaker than xp's. vista did run faster than xp. 7 even runs faster and more stable than either xp or vista. 7 is also far more secure than xp or vista. for the most part 7 is the os microsour got right.


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14 Nov 2009   #152
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Just a little heads up to anyone interested, I'm in the finishing touches of an app to fix this mind numbingly stupid move by MS. I tried WindowManager but I wasn't satisified at all, so I broke down and made my own, since it's an absolute must-have for my workflow. Unlike WindowManager this is specifically made only for folder/shell windows and not generic application windows and uses a folder's actual path and not the window title to track it.

It has some bonus features like the return of the ability to restore a folder's minimized state correctly on startup. Something that worked fine in win95 but MS thought it was a good idea to screw up in all versions after that. It also has a workspace save/restore, which can save the currently open folders (with size/pos) and lets you restore that configuration later.

Initially it will probably only be the 64-bit version, depends on if the 32-bit build JustWorks(tm) or needs additional efforts. It'll be free of course, such a basic feature shouldn't cost extra


(There's also a little fix for the 64-bit version, to disable the nasty always-on-top taskbar which can be found here)
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14 Nov 2009   #153
InternetLord

Windows 7 Eternity Build 7600 RTM Activated x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tweaker View Post
Just a little heads up to anyone interested, I'm in the finishing touches of an app to fix this mind numbingly stupid move by MS. I tried WindowManager but I wasn't satisified at all, so I broke down and made my own, since it's an absolute must-have for my workflow. Unlike WindowManager this is specifically made only for folder/shell windows and not generic application windows and uses a folder's actual path and not the window title to track it.

It has some bonus features like the return of the ability to restore a folder's minimized state correctly on startup. Something that worked fine in win95 but MS thought it was a good idea to screw up in all versions after that. It also has a workspace save/restore, which can save the currently open folders (with size/pos) and lets you restore that configuration later.

Initially it will probably only be the 64-bit version, depends on if the 32-bit build JustWorks(tm) or needs additional efforts. It'll be free of course, such a basic feature shouldn't cost extra


(There's also a little fix for the 64-bit version, to disable the nasty always-on-top taskbar which can be found here)
o.k. so i know for sure that we are on the same page. you are talking about if i have my movies or vid's folder open to full screen with large thumbs and no navigation pane and i click on my computer it will open with its own default view(in my case is the default view for my computer is never changed from what is set by windows). right now if i get rid of the navigation pane in one window windows removes it from all. i only need it removed from a few folders(desktop shortcuts, vid's, movies, documents, bitcomet, my downloads and it's sub folders). one last curious question what about icon spacing. this is the other item microsour messed up. look forward to trying out your app. you might want reconsider the x86 version first though, as most people are still running the 32bit os.
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14 Nov 2009   #154
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

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you are talking about if i have my movies or vid's folder open to full screen with large thumbs and no navigation pane and i click on my computer it will open with its own default view(in my case is the default view for my computer is never changed from what is set by windows). right now if i get rid of the navigation pane in one window windows removes it from all. i only need it removed from a few folders(desktop shortcuts, vid's, movies, documents, bitcomet, my downloads and it's sub folders). one last curious question what about icon spacing. this is the other item microsour messed up. look forward to trying out your app. you might want reconsider the x86 version first though, as most people are still running the 32bit os.
unfortunately the view layout folders is not managed by my app... yet. Believe me, I tried. I wasted a couple of days already trying various hacks to make this work, but I realized I'd better get the basic app done and verified on more systems. Then I can return later and see if I can figure it out.

I really want it to remember per-folder view layout, so I haven't given up on it. Just don't expect it in the first release, for now it only remembers window size, position and minimized/maximized.

I also tried (optionally) getting rid of the explorer nav bar space wasting POS, that's forced down your throat by MS, had no luck there either, but will look into it again later.
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14 Nov 2009   #155
InternetLord

Windows 7 Eternity Build 7600 RTM Activated x86
 
 

at least it is a start. i think everyone needs to install both vista and 7 take screenshots of explorer windows in both and email microsour everyday with them. maybe they will get tired enough of the mass emails and correct the problem.
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14 Nov 2009   #156
Nosmo

Win 7 32 bit , Win xp Sp3
 
 

All the very best to you tweaker and look forward to trying your app.

Also have a look at Zmover that I currently use. Works very well yet costs $20.
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14 Nov 2009   #157
johngalt

 

Indeed - glad I read through this thread.

If you need a guinea pig, I manage Windows Ultimate systems , a pair of 64bit archs and a single 32bit arch....
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14 Nov 2009   #158
helmutcheese

Vista (Hate Win 7)
 
 

Looking forward to it.

Can you give more details of what it wioll do that windowmanager cant !
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14 Nov 2009   #159
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

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If you need a guinea pig, I manage Windows Ultimate systems , a pair of 64bit archs and a single 32bit arch....
sounds great, the more tester the merrier

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Can you give more details of what it wioll do that windowmanager cant !
It's a little bit like comparing apples and oranges, my app is not intended as a 1:1 replacement, as it doesn't handle any kind of application like WM does. In theory you can have both running if you configure WM to ignore folders (CabinetWClass).

I personally had trouble with WM. On a clean system it still had severe issues like suddenly closing down without a word, and completely failing to restore my windows at log-in (a very important feature to me). I just got fed up over being at the mercy of MS or some other third party, and decided to make something that only does folders but does those really good (hopefully ).

I haven't used WM enough to know exactly what I do better or not. The only thing I know is that WM uses window titles, which means its behavior will depend on whether the folder setting "Show full path in title" will affect how it works, whereas I query the real full folder name from the underlying control of the folder window. Say if you had a folder called "Stuff" in several places, with WM they'd be considered to be the exact same folder if you don't have "Show full path in title" enabled.

Then I don't think that WM has the ability to restore folder views, for example after a crash when explorer decides to forget all open views. My app is able to restore the last saved state (or the previously mentioned saved workspaces). The usefulness of this feature depends on how you use windows. I'm one of those that have quite a few windows open, in an organized fashion, when I work on a project, and I really hate it when windows manages to screw that up.

It also has the ability to configure the behavior when navigating to a new folder inside same window, it can either update the window to match the new folder or keep the current window. To my knowledge not something you can control in WM.

And I hope in future versions also being able to affect the view modes per folder and maybe other trickery that affects the appearance of folder windows. Something WM wouldn't do either I assume.
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15 Nov 2009   #160
MrDeviance

windws 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Very cool man. Do you have a site or something? Where are you going to release the first public version and where?
Also are you a skilled coder?
Hope you can answer these questions.

Also a small suggestion. If you do decide to add extra features to your app it would be very nice if you could release 2 versions. One with extra stuff and one that is very basic and is very very low on ressources and only remembers windows size and position and nothing more.
Cheers.
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