I believe that what may have happened is the w7 install I was using either has or developed a problem with one of the files where it could not install some drivers. Or maybe some other strange occurrence related to that. I used a different install iso and after finding a program to pre install the usb 3.0 driver I got it all working well. This pc is picky about this all. Not that new of a model (W7 era), but needs this help or you are dead with the install. Thanks for the help here.