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Windows 7: ShellFolderFix - Manage folder window positions/size

13 Sep 2010   #261
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by KenRD View Post
It would be nice to be able to keep them where they are regardless of which folder you are currently viewing.
Have you tried changing the option "When navigating to a new location" to "Temporarily use window as is" or "Use window as is"? One of those might work better for you, at least the window won't move when you're navigating.


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14 Sep 2010   #262
KenRD

Window 7 64 bit
 
 

[QUOTE=tweaker;957026]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by KenRD View Post
It would be nice to be able to keep them where they are regardless of which folder you are currently viewing.
Thanks for the tip. The 'Use Window as Is' option is what I wanted.

Thanks again.

Ken
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28 Sep 2010   #263
Ricco62

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

First, let me say thanks because, well MS dropped the ball big time and you picked it up and helped us all.

Thanks.

but...

[QUOTE=tweaker;953160
Lately I've also been thinking of adding (as an option) the ability to prevent saving when a window is closed by holding down shift while closing. That would not prevent saving when navigating to a new location within the same window though, so I haven't decided yet.[/QUOTE]

While this is a great idea I think it needs to be taken one step sideways. What I mean is that SFF should only save folder position when you hold down shift while closing.

My reasoning is (and I think this holds true for most people I see when dealing with folders) that I make only a few decision as to where I want a folder to open but, like retiredfields, I am constantly shuffling around my open folders depending on the clutter (other open folders and programs) on my desktop.

The logic goes like this:

When a user makes a new folder, the position will be either system default or as defined by SFF's 'Init Defaults From' option.

At this point the user will leave the folder positioned as is and close it or they will customize the position and then they would then have to 'shift-close' to save the folder position. (Note that this customizing of a folder's position only happens infrequently as users don't really think "Is this where I want to position this folder?" every time they close it.)


So, in the course of using a computer (with SFF running) three situations arise:

1 Only one folder is opened and the position probably isn't going to change.

or

2 Multiple folders are opened via the 'save/restore workspace' option in which case 'wanted and expected' workspace is changed only on an infrequent and 'considered' basis.

or (and this seems to be how myself and most people I know handle folders most often, with or without SFF)

3 Folders are opened... then more folders are opened and then you need to move some around to see others. Then some need to be moved yet again because you just opened other folders. This means that users are positioning folders dynamically and the positions are dependent on a temporary desktop folder/program arrangement. Now, logically, if these multiple folders were left in their SFF saved positions or if they got moved back into them, then SFF doesn't need to 're-save' their positions, but that's what it does.

So to me using 'shift-close' to save a folders position (occasionally) seem more efficient in the long run then always saving it and then having me re-arrange temporary folder positions and would create an even more consistent desktop 'folder environment'.
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28 Sep 2010   #264
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ricco62 View Post
So to me using 'shift-close' to save a folders position (occasionally) seem more efficient in the long run then always saving it and then having me re-arrange temporary folder positions and would create an even more consistent desktop 'folder environment'.
Since I added the ability to disable saving as well as the shift-close functionality (actually it ended up being control instead because shift is already taken by Windows), it seems like a smaller change to make shift-close work in reverse.

I was currently testing the release candidate for the new version, but if it's just a simple change I'll add this aswell for release sometime within the next days.
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29 Sep 2010   #265
Ricco62

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I'll be lookiing forward to it, thanks.

Rick
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29 Sep 2010   #266
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

New version is now up. Change list is added to first post.

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by retiredfields View Post
It would be nice to be able to suspend saving window locations as you exit them. I like to move windows around ... An on-off switch, in the right click menu, would be great.
I added this under "Disable State Recording", just enable the option to show the command in the context menu. There's also an option to reset it back to non-disabled every time the app starts, in case you want that. The other solution to hold down a key (control) while closing is also added if you want to try that.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nemai04 View Post
tweaker: Yeah, the Computer window which I normally keep open in a small window in the upper right hand corner (to see loaded disks), will regularly be large way off in the middle of the screen on startup
I don't know why that happens, I can only make guesses, so this may or may not help. I added an option to set a startup delay, try to set that and see if it helps. I would suggest starting with something longer, like 2.5 seconds (2500) or even 5 seconds (5000), and if it does help then you can try reducing the delay a bit again.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ricco62 View Post
I'll be lookiing forward to it, thanks.
The feature made it in. Under Disable State Recording check the "Disable" and "Enable control key modifier to record" options, that will only save it if you press control while closing.
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30 Sep 2010   #267
Ricco62

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Awesome! Downloading it now.
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03 Oct 2010   #268
drumtrucker

Win 7 HP
 
 

Please add link to download area when new version is available or in context menu.
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03 Oct 2010   #269
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by drumtrucker View Post
Please add link to download area when new version is available or in context menu.
The ReadMe file in the latest version does include the link. It's located in the installation directory (usually C:\Program Files\ShellFolderFix). I might add a Start Menu item for the ReadMe file or View ReadMe button somewhere in future versions.
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04 Oct 2010   #270
jknauth

Windows 7
 
 

Shouldn't the ReadMe for the 1.1.4 Ctrl key changes say "folder windows"
instead of just "windows" for what is affected by the database updating
suppressed/allowed by the new functions? Non-Explorer windows, e.g.,
for Excel, IE, Control Panel, etc., don't seem to be affected by the new
functions, but instead their state is always recorded in the database no
matter how the new options are set and Ctrl key is pressed during close
of the window. The tooltips for the SFF options menu do say "folders",
not just "windows in general", and that seems to be the way SFF works in
my few tests. Is there any reason why the new functions are restricted
to just folders instead of applying to more general windows?
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