Xbox 720 due out 2013?

sinbin said:

I cant beleive how far behind the consoles are

My heart sank like a son of a bitch when I read that it was rumored to be a 6670. If set in stone, it's extremely disapointing news.

boogieboy said:

Well i cannot fully agree with you at some point.. If you play Red Dead Redemption, Alan Wake, Forza Motorsport 4 and some other titles so i can say they have beautiful graphics

Sure they look good, but when you're used to min x4AA/FXAA/x16AF etc - they are ugly by comaprison.

pparks1 said:

I get some frame rate drop in some games, but I honestly think the issue is with the game and not necessarily the console.

They've plateaued with what they can do and some games simply demand too much. Developers are expected to improve visuals continually and they do - but at the cost of increased frame rate losses and performance because the current hardware is woefully outdated.

It's pretty damn short sighted of MS to repeat the same mistake of releasing an already slow and outdated machine.

But since the target demographic's majority is full of those that are happy to accept 'okay' and 'good enough' and not real advancements, then slow and outdated is what we'll get and the limiting flow on affect for PC gaming be damned.

AstaLaVista said:

pparks1 said:

On the flip side, My Xbox360 which I bought in May of 2006, which is almost 6 years old is still playing all of the current games for the platform without requiring any upgrades. the same cannot be said for my PC.

Upgrades are only done when you want to have the latest and the greatest... so to speak.

I am still on DDR2 RAM, GTX260 and there is no FPS game my puter can not handle... I haven't had the need to update or upgrade solely because games are made for consoles and ported to PC so I am still light years away from having to update.

So to speak. My computer is similar to yours, but is only 2.5 years old at present. My 360 is much older. And my video card was upgraded from a 9800GTX+ to the GTX570 as BF3 was playing rather crappy with that old video card.

Yeah a 6670, looks like is is between 20-40% the speed of my current 2 year old card Meaning it'll run about as well as whatever I had in my machine as a GOOD card about... 4 years ago and it's still got 1+ years to release.

So it looks like it'll be even further behind "current" hardware when it comes out (by FAR) than the 360 was in it's time.

That 6670 number CAN'T be right.

I mean I know they don't wanna put a 250 watt monster card in there, but it should have to at least manage a constant 60 fps at 1920x1080 at an absolute minimum, with GOOD draw distance and MINIMAL pop-up, decent AA and all the effects. If somehow the 6670 can actually manage that then ok. but... it sure seems unlikely comparing it to my current hardware

there most likely using a 6670 because they don't want to go over the price limit of around 300-400$usd on release. Probably trying to make it affordable and will be tweaked to hell to make it run more graphic intense games but still behind a mid range pc :|

I can understand that cost, power draw/heat etc is a major factor in their decision but it's still a big let down nevertheless.

I'd rather pay more for a console than compromise long term performance

smarteyeball said:

boogieboy said:

Well i cannot fully agree with you at some point.. If you play Red Dead Redemption, Alan Wake, Forza Motorsport 4 and some other titles so i can say they have beautiful graphics

Sure they look good, but when you're used to min x4AA/FXAA/x16AF etc - they are ugly by comaprison.

Yeah! That's TRUE

that number is correcte,they got cost,heat,power and price war with sony going on!
there tweak the cpu in there to run games well enough,,but i doubt it last that long unless you can upgrade the gpu in consoles,,which i think should be introduced<
After 3 years new gpu for console comes out,say £60 ,you press a button the old card pops out,put new one in!
thats a idea ?

I had a brain surge,i often have them!
anyway here it is,
Rather than limit a console to a naff gpu because of price,why not have the gpu upgradable!
you press a button your old card pops out,,pop new one in.
If they sell the new cards for say £70 then people who want to upgrade graphics can pay ,people who dont wont.
And if the people who dont want to play the games,,there be an option to run them with lower graphics,while the upgraders can play em at quality visuals e.t.c!
I think this is a super idea!

and i will patent it so microsoft if you use this ,,PAY MEE

^ Console games are built with specific hardware in mind. Playing on consoles keeps a level playing field for all those playing console games. To have an upgradeable video system would just introduce variations that could lead to instability in the platform.

sinbin said:

I had a brain surge,i often have them!
anyway here it is,
Rather than limit a console to a naff gpu because of price,why not have the gpu upgradable!

might as well just game on pc and use a xbox controller