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Windows 7: stuttering in games. (mainly valve)

16 Nov 2009   #111
sotorious

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

haha ok, well i think i will do that next weekend.

so your saying if i pop in the windows 7 cds i could make a partition from there??? cause that would be the easiest way.

ALSO just another quick question. say i do, do the 100gb partition since its gaming thats the problem wouldn't the other 800 or so gigs still be a problem??? since its still going to be writing things from everywhere???


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16 Nov 2009   #112
sotorious

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

I wanna report in on some new intel, ive had this bug up my ass that it has been my sound so i went ahead an disabled 1 sound card at a time starting with onboard which fixed 1 minor issue, which was when i would open up cod and it would freeze when the community little tab would pop up and say press shift + tab to open community

and also on cod i would lag on this 1 level called terminal while every other map was perfect, very weird even in offline mode. then i disabled both my sound cards at the same time and was left with 0 sound. i would not lag on that map no longer. then i turned 1 individually on after a restart but would still lag on that map WHETHER 1 or the other was enabled. I also cured the tf2 stutter (that ive always had even on my old rig) when you would join a server and the sound would loop twice and lock up before you can hit ok (never mentioned it because it happen to me on my old pc)

now the funny thing is i turned both of them on at the same time and everything seems to be fine and dandy, even with both of them on now i still dont get the lag with the community thing up while open cod, and i dont get the tf2 server entry lag, allthough i still get the lag on that 1 map with either one or the other sound card enabled, the only way i wont get it is if both sound cards are disabled at the same time.

it seemed to me as if it was conflicting and since i disabled both of them they kind of repaired them selfs... its a bit late right now where im at and i cant do any further testing, so as far as the tf2 issue server playing wise, it may be resolved but havent played long enough.

i wanted to post and see what you guy's thoughts were. i also disabled services that were not related to windows (which wasnt much) so i dont think that was the case tomorrow morning im going to reenable them to see if that is what had caused it to be sure, and disabled everything at start up.
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16 Nov 2009   #113
Dragoon

WinXP Pro (x86) / Win7 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
I wanna report in on some new intel, ive had this bug up my ass that it has been my sound so i went ahead an disabled 1 sound card at a time starting with onboard which fixed 1 minor issue, which was when i would open up cod and it would freeze when the community little tab would pop up and say press shift + tab to open community

and also on cod i would lag on this 1 level called terminal while every other map was perfect, very weird even in offline mode. then i disabled both my sound cards at the same time and was left with 0 sound. i would not lag on that map no longer. then i turned 1 individually on after a restart but would still lag on that map WHETHER 1 or the other was enabled. I also cured the tf2 stutter (that ive always had even on my old rig) when you would join a server and the sound would loop twice and lock up before you can hit ok (never mentioned it because it happen to me on my old pc)

now the funny thing is i turned both of them on at the same time and everything seems to be fine and dandy, even with both of them on now i still dont get the lag with the community thing up while open cod, and i dont get the tf2 server entry lag, allthough i still get the lag on that 1 map with either one or the other sound card enabled, the only way i wont get it is if both sound cards are disabled at the same time.

it seemed to me as if it was conflicting and since i disabled both of them they kind of repaired them selfs... its a bit late right now where im at and i cant do any further testing, so as far as the tf2 issue server playing wise, it may be resolved but havent played long enough.

i wanted to post and see what you guy's thoughts were. i also disabled services that were not related to windows (which wasnt much) so i dont think that was the case tomorrow morning im going to reenable them to see if that is what had caused it to be sure, and disabled everything at start up.
I following this thread for while. Two weeks ago I installed Windows 7 Pro (x64) on other partition on my PC where I have already WinXP Pro installed.
I have the same problem with micro pauses in TF2 and in Overlord 1 & 2 which I recently bought at Steam Weekend Deal. Every 2-5 seconds a half-second pause but only at display output. Audio keeps running.
I after I read your last posted about the soundcards I went ahead and tested myself. I got two soundcards X-Fi Titanium PCI-E and the onboard Realteak HD Audio 889.
When I disable audio input both overlords runs smooth. Using either soundcard bring the problems back. As notice when I reboot my PC in WinXP all games runs smooth.
I Googled a bit and it seems almost everyone that had this problem was running Win7 Pro (x64) though in one case someone was using Ultimate (x64).
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16 Nov 2009   #114
sotorious

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
I wanna report in on some new intel, ive had this bug up my ass that it has been my sound so i went ahead an disabled 1 sound card at a time starting with onboard which fixed 1 minor issue, which was when i would open up cod and it would freeze when the community little tab would pop up and say press shift + tab to open community

and also on cod i would lag on this 1 level called terminal while every other map was perfect, very weird even in offline mode. then i disabled both my sound cards at the same time and was left with 0 sound. i would not lag on that map no longer. then i turned 1 individually on after a restart but would still lag on that map WHETHER 1 or the other was enabled. I also cured the tf2 stutter (that ive always had even on my old rig) when you would join a server and the sound would loop twice and lock up before you can hit ok (never mentioned it because it happen to me on my old pc)

now the funny thing is i turned both of them on at the same time and everything seems to be fine and dandy, even with both of them on now i still dont get the lag with the community thing up while open cod, and i dont get the tf2 server entry lag, allthough i still get the lag on that 1 map with either one or the other sound card enabled, the only way i wont get it is if both sound cards are disabled at the same time.

it seemed to me as if it was conflicting and since i disabled both of them they kind of repaired them selfs... its a bit late right now where im at and i cant do any further testing, so as far as the tf2 issue server playing wise, it may be resolved but havent played long enough.

i wanted to post and see what you guy's thoughts were. i also disabled services that were not related to windows (which wasnt much) so i dont think that was the case tomorrow morning im going to reenable them to see if that is what had caused it to be sure, and disabled everything at start up.
I following this thread for while. Two weeks ago I installed Windows 7 Pro (x64) on other partition on my PC where I have already WinXP Pro installed.
I have the same problem with micro pauses in TF2 and in Overlord 1 & 2 which I recently bought at Steam Weekend Deal. Every 2-5 seconds a half-second pause but only at display output. Audio keeps running.
I after I read your last posted about the soundcards I went ahead and tested myself. I got two soundcards X-Fi Titanium PCI-E and the onboard Realteak HD Audio 889.
When I disable audio input both overlords runs smooth. Using either soundcard bring the problems back. As notice when I reboot my PC in WinXP all games runs smooth.
I Googled a bit and it seems almost everyone that had this problem was running Win7 Pro (x64) though in one case someone was using Ultimate (x64).
yea i plan do do further testing, why its causing it idk, but for the most part things really seemed to have smoothed out. As for MW2 idk what the problem is i think thats a bug on there side.

i dont know if its the 2 conflicting in 7 or what or if its the 24 bit rate processing or just bad drivers.

what im going to do is take my old soundblaster 5.1 from my old computer and try something with that maybe.
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16 Nov 2009   #115
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
haha ok, well i think i will do that next weekend.

so your saying if i pop in the windows 7 cds i could make a partition from there??? cause that would be the easiest way.

ALSO just another quick question. say i do, do the 100gb partition since its gaming thats the problem wouldn't the other 800 or so gigs still be a problem??? since its still going to be writing things from everywhere???
Lets say you do 200G for games/Os, all those files will be organized on the first 20% of the disc, so the needle (the head) will only have to move through 20% of the drive when your playing games (assuming your not downloading to the other 80% or copying files somehow). That way you can have 20% for OS/games/applications and 80% for storage. See how that might be more efficient? The needle travels less so you have less wait. Those 12ms seek times are for optimal performance, and are usually the outer edge of the disc, where that 20% size partition will be. All hard drive stats are based off the optimal performance for the most part. IE the data rate, is the edge of the disc, where it is fastest. it's kind of a white lie they use, that's why I say do a small partition, that way when you install files you know they will be hitting the best area for performance.

[edit] That's why I posted the defrag thread. With larger and larger hard drives the space from the inner edge to the outer edge is getting larger (that's kind of a lie, because it's also adding more platters) See if it's 1TB that means 500GB are in low performance areas. And as you don't know how many platters or where they lay. 3 platters would mean that roughly every 300G you hit a new edge, which is a better performance area. But you don't know how many platters, is it 2, 3, 4? I guess you could go online... that's too much work hahaha, Just good to keep it safe at 100-150G partitions for the OS. The people earlier would say this is BS and check your hardware, but with any system of 2G ram, lets say an 8600GT PCIE, 3Ghz cpu (even single) and an SBL shouldn't get bad frames with the game you had on that video. Which leaves little room for where your stutters are comming from, either it's software or somewhere else. Most of the time bios defaults will work fine, so you look elsewhere.... That's why when people say they have 1TB or more of HDD space I always ask how it's partitioned, it can't hurt can it? =P
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16 Nov 2009   #116
sotorious

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Yea i mean it makes perfect logical sense, to why a smaller hard drive would be better...


i also have another question to all you guys, when disabling a hardware threw device manager, does this temporary shut the driver down, or is it working somewhere in the background?
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16 Nov 2009   #117
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
Yea i mean it makes perfect logical sense, to why a smaller hard drive would be better...


i also have another question to all you guys, when disabling a hardware threw device manager, does this temporary shut the driver down, or is it working somewhere in the background?
Windows still see's it, but it's not allowed to be interfaced with. So if a program tries to use it it can't (in case you have problems with X hardware and Z software) so it won't BSOD or anything.

[edit] The driver is for the most part unloaded and not running.

Ugh forgot this, smaller hard drives still have performance issues. Remember 50% of any HDD is in the low performance end, no matter what the size is.
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16 Nov 2009   #118
sotorious

windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
Yea i mean it makes perfect logical sense, to why a smaller hard drive would be better...


i also have another question to all you guys, when disabling a hardware threw device manager, does this temporary shut the driver down, or is it working somewhere in the background?
Windows still see's it, but it's not allowed to be interfaced with. So if a program tries to use it it can't (in case you have problems with X hardware and Z software) so it won't BSOD or anything.

[edit] The driver is for the most part unloaded and not running.

Ugh forgot this, smaller hard drives still have performance issues. Remember 50% of any HDD is in the low performance end, no matter what the size is.
im sure a 300gb velociraptor would do just fine.
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16 Nov 2009   #119
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sotorious View Post
Yea i mean it makes perfect logical sense, to why a smaller hard drive would be better...


i also have another question to all you guys, when disabling a hardware threw device manager, does this temporary shut the driver down, or is it working somewhere in the background?
Windows still see's it, but it's not allowed to be interfaced with. So if a program tries to use it it can't (in case you have problems with X hardware and Z software) so it won't BSOD or anything.

[edit] The driver is for the most part unloaded and not running.

Ugh forgot this, smaller hard drives still have performance issues. Remember 50% of any HDD is in the low performance end, no matter what the size is.
im sure a 300gb velociraptor would do just fine.
Haha, that's a WHOLE different subject. They spin at 10000rpm as upposed to the 7200rpm, which does mean higher performance. That's stat related, and a no brainer... As the inside of that HDD might get the same speeds as the outside of a regular HDD. They are soooo sexy. The only thing sexier is SCSI drives, but they are uber expensive.
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16 Nov 2009   #120
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

For any hard drive, you need to look as the write/read times, the density and the rotational speed. The less platters the better, as the more dense the less movement the head has to make.
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