Fallout 3 GOTY crashes after player movement (USING MODS)

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  1. Posts : 30
    Windows 7 64Bit Ultimate
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    Fallout 3 GOTY crashes after player movement (USING MODS)


    I have fallout 3 goty for windows, it crashes after walking a short distance in any direction, with or without mods active. I have done several "fixes" with no results.
    I have added "bUseThreadedAI=1 iNumHWThreads=2" to the FALLOUT.INI file.
    I have enabled large address handling (though I only have 2 gigs of ram and a 32 bit OS)
    I have archive invalidation enabled
    I used Fallout Mod Manager to disable GFWL
    The game boots and loads all mods, so I have suspicion to believe its not a mod conflict.
    I can load a game, and create a new game. If I walk too far/much in any direction the game crashes.
    I have counted roughly 30 footstep sounds before each crash, and even crashes when walking against a wall.

    My specs
    HP Comquack dx2300 microtower
    MSI 0A90 mobo
    Intel Pentium Dual Core e2160 @ 1.8GHz (non core 2 duo)
    2 gigs of DDR2 533mhz ram
    2 nvidia graphics cards, ASUS gt210 1 gig model with passive cooler OC'ed, ASUS gt720 2 gig OC'ed "corporate stable model" with aftermarket cooler (Evercool Everlubricate VC-RF Universal VGA Cooler, copper color) The gt210 is OC'ed to 650mhz core and memory speed, the gt720 is OC'ed to 1100mhz core and 980 mhz memory, both are done in MSI afterburner.
    Windows 7 32 bit Home Premium
    WD Caviar 80gig 7200rpm main
    WD Scorpio Blue 320gig 5400rpm 2.5" storage
    Sandisk 64gig USB2.0 formatted for NTFS (this is where I have fallout 3 installed with all of the mods and fallout mod manager. I install games here that normally studder on my hard drives. transfer rate of 40 mb/s)
    USB DAC for Sony MDR XD100 headphones for when I want some "nice" sound
    pdp afterglow universal headset for chat and games, as well as onboard sound into cheapo speakers for games.
    250 watt PSU
    Temps on the CPU reach 60c at load
    Temps on the gt210 never pass 41c
    Temps on the gt720 never pass 35c
    Temps on my hard drives never pass 35c

    I can upgrade my ram to 4 gigs if that is an issue, and I can overclock the CPU to 2.4GHz.
    I don't want to overclock the CPU because my power supply is already stretched thin and I don't want to change it out, though I can do that because I have a 350 watt power supply from an old AMD 64fx dual core build that I no longer use.
    I have a key to use for w7 64bit from my old AMD build, but that's a daunting task to change OS's, but if that will help after upgrading to 4 gigs of RAM, I will switch.

    My main issue is I AM CHEAP and I would like to get this running on my existing hardware and software combination. This computer runs far cry 2 on the gt720 at 50 fps avg. , and 30fps avg. on the gt210, with the settings nearly maxed at 1366x768, vsync off.
    I am a little more of an advanced user, and I know basic DOS from being a 90's kid. I am new to Fallout 3 modding because I never had a GPU powerful enough to handle PC Oblivion/fallout at good framerates until recently BECAUSE I'M CHEAP and gamed on console.

    Mod list / boot order determined by LOOT

    (starting here, these are in bold in Fallout mod manager 0.13.21)

    Fallout3.esm
    Anchorage.esm
    ThePitt.esm
    StreetLights.esm
    BrokenSteel.esm
    PointLookout.esm
    zeta.esm
    Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
    Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm
    WastelandGuards01.esm
    CRAFT.esm
    CALIBR.esm
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
    DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
    Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
    Project Beauty.esm
    EVE.esm
    Hairday.esm
    Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp

    (the following are not in bold)

    BeardsofFallout.esp
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
    Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp
    Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp
    Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp
    Enhanced Weather - REBOOT.esp
    Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp
    Fellout-Full.esp
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
    Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main.esp
    F3ProjectRealityMkI.esp
    FO3_WRP.esp
    Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp
    Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
    Fellout-Zeta.esp
    Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
    Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp
    Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
    Fellout-PointLookout.esp
    Fellout-pipboylight.esp
    Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp
    Fellout-Anchorage.esp
    Flora Overhaul.esp
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp (unchecked)
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
    FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp (unchecked)
    Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
    megalight.esp
    NPC Height Randomizer.esp
    PureWater-VeryClearNoRad.esp (unchecked)
    PureWater-VeryCleanLittleRad.esp (unchecked)
    PureWater-NoRad.esp (unchecked)
    PureWater-LittleRad.esp
    UWWUT - Broken Steel Addon.esp (unchecked, confirmed to cause issues with ALL my other mods, base fo3 game, and DLC)
    RubberPilesFix.esp

    The game also crashes without the mods on, and being installed on my other hard drives. All of the files, except FOSE, were downloaded with the Nexus Mod Manager (a glitchy, crash prone piece of crap) and installed with Fallout Mod Manager. I no longer have NMM due to rage delete, but if it will help I will (regretfully) re-install.
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  2. Posts : 1,218
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
       #2

    I'm not sure about your knowledge of internals of PC's but I'm assuming you've done the aftermarket cooling on the GPU so I feel you could do this one thing, just as a test, remove the 210 and try the game with one GPU, let us know how you get on.
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  3. Posts : 6,741
    W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
       #3

    JonnyLectron said:
    My specs
    HP Comquack dx2300 microtower
    MSI 0A90 mobo
    Intel Pentium Dual Core e2160 @ 1.8GHz (non core 2 duo)
    2 gigs of DDR2 533mhz ram
    250 watt PSU
    A 250W PSU will not run two GPUs. The rest of your specs are nowhere near the level required to game.


    JonnyLectron said:
    Temps on the CPU reach 60c at load
    Temps on the gt210 never pass 41c
    Temps on the gt720 never pass 35c
    Temps on my hard drives never pass 35c
    The GPU temps are so low because they're never stressed. When you stress them the machine will crash because A) The GPUs can't handle the game and B) the PSU can't handle the GPUs.
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  4. Posts : 30
    Windows 7 64Bit Ultimate
    Thread Starter
       #4

    A 250W PSU will not run two GPUs. The rest of your specs are nowhere near the level required to game.
    I am running 2 graphics cards well within my power supply's limit. Combined power usage of both cards is 90 watts. They are both stripped down ITX frame cards that don't have high power requirements, and I purchased both of them because I am extremely power conscious. Since posting, I have removed the overclock on the 210, and use it for playing older 3dfx games (with a wrapper) and movie viewing. The 720 has a clock speed that is too high to run older games, and games are running too fast (example: Streets of SimCity runs all of the other cars, and the water/lava fx, at somewhere around 3x the normal speed)
    I am cheap and don't like paying a ridiculous power bill. the 720 is my horsepower card, and the 210 is just for running light things.
    The GPU temps are so low because they're never stressed. When you stress them the machine will crash because A) The GPUs can't handle the game and B) the PSU can't handle the GPUs.
    My GPUs do get stressed. I have taken them apart (voiding the warranties) and replaced the old thermal paste with fresh paste. I played "scarface the world is yours" with the 210 (EDIT I meant the 720 here) and it has reached 45c.
    Evidence in photo, room temperature was roughly 90f, so the temps are a bit higher.

    I'm not sure about your knowledge of internals of PC's but I'm assuming you've done the aftermarket cooling on the GPU so I feel you could do this one thing, just as a test, remove the 210 and try the game with one GPU, let us know how you get on.
    Yes I changed the cooler on my gt720 to cool it better under load with OC. The stock clock is 500somethingMHz and the Memory clock is 900Mhz. The OC is more than double on the core clock, and almost 100MHz more on the memory.
    I have removed the OC on the gt210 because I feel it is plenty fast enough for browsing the web and h.264 playback.
    I will try that out, normally I just disable the gpu's in BIOS and re-enable when I plan on gaming.
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  5. Posts : 30
    Windows 7 64Bit Ultimate
    Thread Starter
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    The photo was before overclock, and before I changed the cooler. It has stock paste in the photo with a stock clock and stock cooler.

    Funny thing about the aftermarket gt720 cooler, it didn't initially fit because the stock cooler has grooves that rise it a bit above the components. I jammed flattened out american pennies in between the aftermarket cooler and the GPU chip because it was rubbing on the components the stock cooler was designed not to touch.
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  6. Posts : 6,741
    W7 Pro x64 SP1 | W10 Pro IP x64 | W8.1 Pro x64 VM | Linux Mint VM
       #6

    JonnyLectron said:
    A 250W PSU will not run two GPUs. The rest of your specs are nowhere near the level required to game.
    I am running 2 graphics cards well within my power supply's limit. Combined power usage of both cards is 90 watts.
    Which leaves 160W for eveything else which is nowhere near enough. Still, if you know better I'll leave you to it.
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  7. Posts : 1,218
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
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    Yes I changed the cooler on my gt720 to cool it better under load with OC. The stock clock is 500somethingMHz and the Memory clock is 900Mhz. The OC is more than double on the core clock, and almost 100MHz more on the memory.
    I have removed the OC on the gt210 because I feel it is plenty fast enough for browsing the web and h.264 playback.
    I will try that out, normally I just disable the gpu's in BIOS and re-enable when I plan on gaming.
    Everything will run smoother if you just remove the lesser card, there's absolutely no reason to have the 210 in there at all, it does nothing for your system apart from consume power (even when disabled), I have a 750w power supply and it's not consuming more than my PC allows it to, when Idle my PC consumes about 200w, but when gaming it uses 500w+ and even higher at the wall socket due to efficiency rating of 80%.
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  8. Posts : 20,583
    Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
       #8

    Possibly you could add a couple more pennies
    Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition System Requirements





    Minimum:
    Operating system: Windows XP/Vista
    Processor: 2.4 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent processor
    Memory: 1 GB (XP)/ 2 GB (Vista)
    Hard disk space: 7 GB
    Video: Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 256MB RAM (NVIDIA 6800 or better/ATI X850 or better)
    Sound: DirectX®: 9.0c
    Controller support: Xbox 360 controller
    Other Requirements: Online play requires log-in to Games For Windows - Live

    Supported Video Card Chipsets:
    NVIDIA GeForce 200 series, Geforce 9800 series, Geforce 9600 series, Geforce 8800 series, Geforce 8600 series, Geforce 8500 series, Geforce 8400 series, Geforce 7900 series, Geforce 7800 series, Geforce 7600 series, Geforce 7300 series, GeForce 6800 series
    ATI HD 4800 series, HD 4600 series, HD 3800 series, HD 3600 series, HD 3400 series, HD 2900 series, HD 2600 series, HD 2400 series, X1900 series, X1800 series, X1600 series, X1300 series, X850 series

    Recommended:
    Operating system: Windows XP/Vista
    Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo processor
    Memory: 2 GB System RAM
    Hard disk space: 7 GB
    Video: Direct X 9.0c compliant video card with 512MB RAM (NVIDIA 8800 series, ATI 3800 series)
    Sound: DirectX®: 9.0c
    Controller support: Xbox 360 controller
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  9. Posts : 30
    Windows 7 64Bit Ultimate
    Thread Starter
       #9

    I'm not sure about your knowledge of internals of PC's but I'm assuming you've done the aftermarket cooling on the GPU so I feel you could do this one thing, just as a test, remove the 210 and try the game with one GPU, let us know how you get on.
    I have removed the gt210, and tested it out. I'm still having the mentioned problem.

    Everything will run smoother if you just remove the lesser card, there's absolutely no reason to have the 210 in there at all, it does nothing for your system apart from consume power (even when disabled), I have a 750w power supply and it's not consuming more than my PC allows it to, when Idle my PC consumes about 200w, but when gaming it uses 500w+ and even higher at the wall socket due to efficiency rating of 80%.
    I imagine your computer is quite awesome, running that much power. I'd love to be able to afford that, and the power bill that comes with it, but alas I'm poor. So, I'm working with what I have, and what I have is a dual dell monitor setup on 2 nvidia itx workstation oriented gpus.
    I'm not here to talk about specs or power usage on PCs, I'm here seeking help.
    I really don't mean that in a snotty way, so PLEASE don't take it that way.

    I neglected to mention the dual monitor setup. WOOPS. I have 2 monitors, one is a Emachines VGA LCD display with tiny speakers, and I believe the other to be a Dell Ultrasharp, with silver trim and blue/amber power led. Both are 16:9 21" monitors, and both run a desktop resolution of 1366x768 at 60Hz on VGA connectors.
    The Dell is a little finicky with resolutions, and does not go to 1080p, despite having a DVI connection.

    This is a strange problem, and I'm only having it with this computer. I'm thinking it might a read/write problem with a hard drive, because I temporarily removed the system created page file on both hard drives and the game lasted a little longer. Which was an incredibly strange thing.
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  10. Posts : 30
    Windows 7 64Bit Ultimate
    Thread Starter
       #10

    Solved


    The problem was solved by doing 2 things

    1st I enabled write cache for my flash drive that I had fallout installed on.
    That got rid of the crash after about 30 steps. I was on to something when I disabled the system allocation on my hard drives, and decided to try that out. IT FIXED THE CRASH ON WALKING/LOADING NEW SOUNDS/TERRAIN GENERATION

    2nd, I found that the pure water mod was conflicting with my fallout 3 settings for water.
    I set all available settings to low and disabled all water FX, and crashing upon finding water was solved. I know this wasn't stated in the post, but I was going to post about it in a separate thread because I would need a different title.




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    Last edited by JonnyLectron; 11 Aug 2015 at 13:20. Reason: Please lock the thread
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