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Windows 7: Are you going to buy Win7 at these Prices

20 May 2009   #31
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

That's what you got from buying a prebuild and never upgrading the hardware. Even with XP I boosted things up there by running 2gb to see that run a lot better! That's especially more noticible when loading a lot on. Even XP can slow right down to Vista's speed in no time once you pile things on.


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20 May 2009   #32
Zagadka

Win 7, Win 8, Ubuntu (64 bit)
 
 

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This HAS to be 100% crazy that it's CHEAPER to BUY a computer with the OS installed than to buy the OS separately.
No, it makes sense. OEM is based on a contract between the computer manufacturer and MS... MS lowers the price of the OS to the manufacturer, in exchange, they sell 50 billion copies.
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20 May 2009   #33
jfar

Vista Ult64, Win7600
 
 

And you will also have a new laptop to play around with, that maybe you could upgrade eventually to better specs, so yes it is madness.
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20 May 2009   #34
swarfega

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Ive just emailed Brandon LeBlanc regarding this, so itl be interesting to see if I get a response.
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20 May 2009   #35
Uber Philf

W7 RTM Ultimate x64
 
 

If these happen to be the prices in the end, thats going to be disappointing..

Enzo
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20 May 2009   #36
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zagadka View Post
No, it makes sense. OEM is based on a contract between the computer manufacturer and MS... MS lowers the price of the OS to the manufacturer, in exchange, they sell 50 billion copies.

So I can get the OS for almost nothing and "Bin" the old computer -- madness .

Actually what I'd do is install the OS to a new machine (via Upgrade) and give the laptop to charity.

It's not that difficult to get W7 (OEM) from one laptop to another as the main components such as CPU are pretty similar so you don't normally have any problem with "Re activation".

Cheers
jimbo
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20 May 2009   #37
TheMan

Windows 7 RC build 7100 32 bit Danish
 
 

I had my mind set up for bying my first OS ever, cause I was so impressed,
but if these prices sticks.... well...

I just hope it will be sold also as a "hardware-bundle" U know like in buy some sort of
hardware and get it much cheaper (dont know if its just in Denmark?!)

And yes, they should learn that by cutting of half the price (or so) would mean that MANY more would buy!
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20 May 2009   #38
saverio

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

I feel that yes perhaps these figures are speculation, but also it saddens me that Microsoft still hasn't learnt from the past.

Why have all these different flavours at all?

And if you're going to price an OS why not make your 'Ultimate' at least comparable with Apple OS X for price?

The Apple Anti Vista campaign was a success that you could only dream about, look how it killed Vista stone dead - clever marketing made people say 'Vista, no way', and yet when you asked them why not more often than not they couldn't give you an answer.

The truth is that Microsoft will have to price more keenly if they actually want to sell these things. Yes, we as testers and users and developers perhaps can see the why, but when someone who is not technically minded looks to buy, they look to see how much damage it will do to their pocket first.

Also, looking at sales of PC's with Vista included, lets face it, nobody touched the basic version with a bargepole, it was either home premium, business or ultimate.

To this effect, why are Microsoft not looking to a single copy of 7 with all functionality therin and perhaps lets the user select which version or functions thereof they want to install at that stage?

Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?

Perhaps on installation it could prompt something like:

Basic Installation: Simplest System (OS / wireless/bluetooth/network functionality ; does not include installed Aero effects or advanced networking Apps etc. ) ideal for netbook or low end laptop or home system where only requirement is email & web

Standard Installation: Full System installation without Advanced 'coporate features'
ideal for all users who do not require *whatever makes enterprise deployment necessary or such like*

Enterprise Installation: Full system installation ; does not include *or alternatively the most customisable so that system admins can choose what components are allowed / blocked disabled etc, thereby giving them the full control they crave*

Ultimate Installation: Everything / lock / stock and both smoking barrells.

or perhaps just have basic installation or full installation or selectable blocks (not too comlicated) such as:
games
Utilities (paint / snipping tool / sticky notes)
Media (WMC, live et al)
Wireless (wifi / Bluetooth / IR etc.)
Aero effects and Widgets
Networking Basic/advanced (home or soho needs like ethernet / advanced enterprise level networking features)

I don't know, i'm just throwing ideas around here

Price it to match OS X and you have the rug from out of Apple's feet in one fell swoop. (not that this is an anti Apple thing, as I love apple I really do and i've seen them become the success they are through some very clever marketing

lets take the I'm a Mac vs Microsoft's I'm a PC campaign, the MS fightback was too little, too late, but it missed the point- lots of people telling you they were a PC was not what the Apple ads were about, they were successfull because everyone knew that apple made computers, but the ads told everyone what they did, and how they did it differently to windows - they informed and educated (to apple's way of thinking) - 'Hi PC, you're having problems x,y,z... On the mac it's done like this...easy').

In this way like OS X, all the features are there, but it's the user who decides what they want, microsoft charge one price, and this takes out the indecision of what is the best version for the user.

MS already know which functionality sets are used by each demographic, such as most home users will never need the advanced networking which a system administrator will need access to, enterprise admins, would probably love to have multimedia apps and games removed from users machines etc.

I know that there is the school of thought that says why pay for what I don't use, but if you then need it, why have to pay again for what you do have, because it includes what you don't have?

I'd be happy to buy Windows7, not basic, not ultimate, not enterprise, not whistle onlyon the night of a fullmoon but only where it falls on a tuesday edition.

I just want to buy Windows7, and I want the advertisments selling it to me by telling me why it's so good.

I'm a PC

And I'm a Mac.

Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?

PC: I'm running on windows 7

Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?

PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X

Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!

PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.

Mac: You lost weight PC?

PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.

Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
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20 May 2009   #39
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

You wouldn't expect 7 be be significantly less than Vista was a few years ago.

Very few people buy the Full Retail product. Mostly it is oem pre installs, then Upgrade discs, then System Builder, and finally a small number at Full Retail price.

My guess is the big push will be for people to "upgrade " from XP and Vista.

You can expect keen pricing on upgrade discs.

There would have to be - if upgrade disc for 7 Pro was half the Retail price - say, $150 - there won't be too many takers.

If M$ want people to upgrade , they need to price that very low.
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20 May 2009   #40
dmex

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by saverio View Post
I feel that yes perhaps these figures are speculation, but also it saddens me that Microsoft still hasn't learnt from the past.

Why have all these different flavours at all?
I know there was many people very angry about that decision to make multiple versions, including me

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The Apple Anti Vista campaign was a success that you could only dream about, look how it killed Vista stone dead - clever marketing made people say 'Vista, no way', and yet when you asked them why not more often than not they couldn't give you an answer.
Microsoft sent me a Vista Advisor t-shirt some months ago, I used it twice and the amount of bull**** I heard coming from completely random people who would stop me while walking down the street was enough to make me burn it. Not out of spite for Microsoft or Vista, just from pure anger about the amount of mis-information poeple believe

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Also, looking at sales of PC's with Vista included, lets face it, nobody touched the basic version with a bargepole, it was either home premium, business or ultimate.

To this effect, why are Microsoft not looking to a single copy of 7 with all functionality therin and perhaps lets the user select which version or functions thereof they want to install at that stage?

Surely this must/would be a more cost effective solution from a production point of view, only one cover/box design, only one type of media to inventorise?
Microsoft already do that to some extent, If you dont enter your cdkey during setup you are presented with a menu listing every edition of Vista or Win7 and you are able to select any edition to install from that menu. I think they keep the retail boxing different as to not confuse people about what they are buying and it also helps if they want to upgrade their edition later because they can continue to use the same media they originally purchased


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Price it to match OS X and you have the rug from out of Apple's feet in one fell swoop. (not that this is an anti Apple thing, as I love apple I really do and i've seen them become the success they are through some very clever marketing

lets take the I'm a Mac vs Microsoft's I'm a PC campaign, the MS fightback was too little, too late, but it missed the point- lots of people telling you they were a PC was not what the Apple ads were about, they were successfull because everyone knew that apple made computers, but the ads told everyone what they did, and how they did it differently to windows - they informed and educated (to apple's way of thinking) - 'Hi PC, you're having problems x,y,z... On the mac it's done like this...easy').
The I'm a PC campaign was a direct result of the Apple adverts, I think Microsoft's intention was to take the entire force out of Apple's adverts by encouraging people to admit "Im a PC" like that doocie does in the Adverts.

Their latest two adverts didnt bother attacking Vista and I doubt they can continue to keep doing that much longer, If they do then its going to hurt them bad

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I just want to buy Windows7, and I want the advertisments selling it to me by telling me why it's so good.

I'm a PC

And I'm a Mac.

Mac: Hey PC, why you looking so happy?

PC: I'm running on windows 7

Mac: Which version, basic, ultimate, pistaccio? bet it was expensive right?

PC: no, Just 7, and it costs the same as OS X

Mac: Yea, but like vista nothing works, and it's going to crash all the time, Oh and lets not mention the system requirements!

PC: Nah, we let millions the public download it for free to test it for us on all their different systems and requirements, and they told us what worked and what didn't, good bad etc.

Mac: You lost weight PC?

PC: yea, 7 runs easy on a netbook as well so i'm a lot slimmer now.

Mac: PC... is that my designer roll neck you're wearing....
Yeah I hope they can up with some better adverts too

At least you can upgrade your OS to Windows 7, If you used a Mac you would need to buy a completely new machine just for an OS upgrade. Thats just sad and probably why theres a global credit crisis considering the price of one Mac let alone a few thousand
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