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Windows 7: What did I do wrong?

23 Sep 2010   #11
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Like Jacee, I have only logged into it once since I "unhid it"


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23 Sep 2010   #12
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Well Gentlemen,
A healthy discussion on this topic. Interesting.
JDobbsy1987 I did it for the reason richc46 stated, I have done so one and off since using multi-account software. I have read many times that it is safer for the reasons richc46 pointed out. I know it is a bit more of a pain. But I like safe, if 5 is right, 6 is better!
In reference to the original question, does anyone have any ideas, you can tell how often I've followed the advice as I've forgotten quite a bit about administering other accounts. Thanks.
glennc
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23 Sep 2010   #13
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Well, what I have done is created another quasi-administrator account to be the 'fall back' account and only log into it when I need to. I kept the Super Admin Account the way Windows left it, which is hidden. I did that on both my systems mostly because I don't want to futz around trying to find a way to get onto the computer when the primary account is messed with and all I have to do is get onto another account that is clean and in safe mode.
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23 Sep 2010   #14
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

I assume that by allowing the update in the user account you mean that you elevated when prompted for credentials (asked to provide the admin password)?

I have found that it is sometimes better to actually elevate the actual application before the update check is performed. Right click Thunderbird.exe and run as administrator - once the app is running do a manual update check and follow through the procedure.

This is more often than not a case of the app not following the precise programming structures set out by Microsoft, rather than a problem with windows.

I have also resorted to starting an elevated Explorer.exe and then running the app from this explorer, to solve this type of issue
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23 Sep 2010   #15
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
I assume that by allowing the update in the user account you mean that you elevated when prompted for credentials (asked to provide the admin password)?

I have found that it is sometimes better to actually elevate the actual application before the update check is performed. Right click Thunderbird.exe and run as administrator - once the app is running do a manual update check and follow through the procedure.

This is more often than not a case of the app not following the precise programming structures set out by Microsoft, rather than a problem with windows.

I have also resorted to starting an elevated Explorer.exe and then running the app from this explorer, to solve this type of issue
Hello Barman58,
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately due to a difference in skill levels, I am not completely sure of what you said. I installed and got the install admin privileges.
I created a user account with normal low privileges. If I understand you right, your first suggestion is to make T-bird in the compatibility section to run as administrator, as a possible solution. The two separate T-birds run separately in that they download the messages as individual programs. Will running it as admin lets see the word, screw up this arrangement?
Secondly I didn't understand your other suggestion well enough to pretend to know what you said. Thanks for your time and help.
glennc
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24 Sep 2010   #16
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by glennc View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
I assume that by allowing the update in the user account you mean that you elevated when prompted for credentials (asked to provide the admin password)?

I have found that it is sometimes better to actually elevate the actual application before the update check is performed. Right click Thunderbird.exe and run as administrator - once the app is running do a manual update check and follow through the procedure.

This is more often than not a case of the app not following the precise programming structures set out by Microsoft, rather than a problem with windows.

I have also resorted to starting an elevated Explorer.exe and then running the app from this explorer, to solve this type of issue
Hello Barman58,
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately due to a difference in skill levels, I am not completely sure of what you said. I installed and got the install admin privileges.
I created a user account with normal low privileges. If I understand you right, your first suggestion is to make T-bird in the compatibility section to run as administrator, as a possible solution. The two separate T-birds run separately in that they download the messages as individual programs. Will running it as admin lets see the word, screw up this arrangement?
Secondly I didn't understand your other suggestion well enough to pretend to know what you said. Thanks for your time and help.
glennc
I believe he stated that if you right click on the application, the context menu comes up. You might get a 'fourth' option from the top that says 'Run as Administrator'. See if that works.
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24 Sep 2010   #17
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

As stated above - this should be only needed as a one off action for the actual update to the thunderbird software The problem that I have found is that the elevation that you get from the prompt only elevates for the action that caused it sometimes there is a need for elevation for secondary processes to complete an upgrade, which elevating the whole application can avoid.

The second option I suggested is that the file manager in windows is actually the application "Explorer.exe" and in really stubborn cases elevating this process itself can prevent potential issues with some applications or operations.

Neither of these actions is intended to be a permanent change to the way you run Thunderbird, but of course you should realise that whilst in an elevated state any application has the potential to do more "damage" that in the normal state. In particular I would always advise a re boot of the application or in the case of Explorer.exe, Windows itself after any work is complete.

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With regard to the Admin / Standard user question I have always run as a standard user and logged into and administrator account, or used run as... as required. That is until Vista and now win7 as I find that the UAC system does as it was designed to do and automates the process I have used since early days of Windows NT, through Win200 and XP.
All other users on any shared system I install / maintain are of course standard users
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24 Sep 2010   #18
glennc

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Hello Barmann58,
Think you got it. I went to properties in T-bird in the user account. The run as administrator and other options were greyed out. I hit the change settings for all users and was prompted for admin password. When I checked for the update, it was already installed. I reversed the process to get it back to user level privilege. You seem to have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Thank you, Sir.
glennc
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